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Meditation people talk about dissolving the sense of self, but often try to push it away. A better approach is to accept the sense of self and make it explicit in awareness with as much clarity as possible. Then it is no longer who you are, but instead, what is being observed.
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You being glib, m8? If there isn't a sense of self, how do you locate it? You just locate something that feels like it's in the center. Typically, that means you've shifted your vantage to something that is now "the center", until you try to look at it and shift it again...
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Not existing as a discreet experiential object ≠ not having the illusion of such floating around in your general perception of the world
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See, I'd argue at this point you're more talking about a world model. I've had full disintegration of the sense of self. Nothing there, anywhere. Was pretty shocking. Still, I have a tendency to get absorbed in "selfing". It isn't the same thing. Is certainly not enlightenment.
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And for the habit of perceiving things that way to form, if it ever does. I don't go around persistently feeling like that. When I do, it's starkly different from my "normal" experience of the world.
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If I'm no-selfing, a distant staircase often just looks like a flat painting or something, has no depth because my eyes can't actually see any. Then it comes closer and the entire thing unfolds in front of me, like an inflatable toy.
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If I'm selfing around, I don't really notice things like that. Everything is too peripheral to whatever is being selfed at that time. Everything feels more stable, because the utter mess that is the simulation (or whatever) you're generating goes largely unattended.