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Jason Snyder
@cognazor
Again, pragmatism. Let's just agree that we cannot ultimate escape some kind of programming. Now we can ask, is this programming helping us to thrive, individually and as a species? If not, what can we tweak?
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Jason Snyder
@cognazor
I think it is a useful exercise. A big part of prayer traditions is to admit totally helplessness before God. This can also be done without the God part. However, we still wake up in the morning and do something, make choices...
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Ian Welsh
@iwelsh
I did not find it devastating. And it is not the only way to do it. I did it once when I realized I could do nothing to help myself. I did it another time when I realized that I didn't need to. In both cases, it was good. We may not be talking about the same thing.
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Ian Welsh
@iwelsh
Replying to
@iwelsh
@cognazor
and 2 others
and the question is whether you can have this on demand. It is a very specific mental state, in which you are not grasping at any sense objects, at all. I am reasonably sure that it is a state that can be regularized. "Defeat" is just one way to get it by "mistake".
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Jason Snyder
@cognazor
Replying to
@iwelsh
@Triquetrea
and
@TheSideViewCo
So, one example of a 'defeat' practice that I do now is to imagine my worst possible fears, let them overcome me without resistance. Of course this is different than what @Failed_Buddhist is talking about, but I am familiar with that too from my religious days.
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