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One could, but I don't think that's what Euvie meant. (Feel free to correct me ) If you shut up the chatty self-referencing mind, there is still occasionally chatty mind. It just isn't the only player in the orchestra who gets to be on stage.
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How do you get someone to dis-identify from their thoughts, or see them as emptiness, without first having an awakening that they are not their thoughts? For me, it was in the other order.
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