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    Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

    I spent some time lurking on an incel forum a while ago, back when, for some reason, I was reading about the manosphere. I’m not at all surprised to learn about Alek Minassian.

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      2. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        The rhetoric that spews from those places is some of most hate-filled, misogynistic, and resentful stuff I’ve ever read. It’s taken as de facto that women are the cause of all of their problems.

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      3. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        If anybody attempts to question personal or systemic/structural roots of their pain they are immediately dismissed by a dog pile group think of “society hates us because women are bitches”.

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      4. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        One of the aspects of incel forums that struck me the most is the language and grammar they use. It’s this dense 4chan-esque meme-speak where everything is ironic and jokey while simultaneously being deadly serious.

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      5. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        It can be remarkably difficult to penetrate. There’s a kind of Schrodinger’s Incel thing going on whereby they all concurrently worship *and* despise Elliot Rodger.

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      6. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        And they do this constant, weird micro-analysis of their own “failings” (which are often minor ways in which the men deviate from commercial, Western representations of male attractiveness).

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      7. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        One of the principle traits of their grammar, thereby, is suffixing various nouns with “cel” in order to communicate the cause of their incel-ness. A “jawcel”, for example, can’t get laid because he has a weak jawline.

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      8. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        A “framecel” is someone cursed with narrow shoulders. “Fatcel” is an obvious one. As is “braincel”. They particularly deride “gymcels”, i.e. incels who mistakenly believe that working out will increase their “sexual market value”.

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      9. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        [CW: suicide] Another quirk of their language is the phrase “sui fuel”, which is usually accompanied by an image of, say, a happy-looking couple, intended to inspire (/encourage?) suicidal behaviour because incels will - and here’s another common phrase - “never have this”.

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      10. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        It really is the most self-loathing bullshit.

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      11. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        Of course, the most infamous aspect of their language are the two terms “Chad” (jockey, sexually successful male) and “Stacey” (promiscuous, shallow, vain women). These words always used pejoratively, all tied up with deeply conservative moral values surrounding sex, marriage etc

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      12. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        Even these words have an odd grammar attached to them. “Chad” and “Stacey” never take a grammatic article. It’s never “a Chad”, or “a Stacey”. They are always used singularly, as if they are referencing a specific individual, even though they all know they’re talking about a type

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      13. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        So where you might expect an incel to say “I saw a Chad in the bar last night”, they will always construct is as “I saw Chad in the bar last night”, as if all these mentions of Chad are one person. It’s very odd.

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      14. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        Not sure why this is. It seems more than just a convenient short hand. Partly, I suspect, this shared grammar provides them with a sense of community. After all, incel-dom is about nothing if not the group reinforcing their individual prejudices.

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      15. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        I guess it also helps root out “tourists” who might try to infiltrate their message boards (incels seem particularly wary of this).

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      16. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        I know that, in light of their horrible beliefs and actions, incel grammar is probably an insignificant aspect of the subculture. But it all comes back to the manosphere thing of these self-reinforcing hate groups shutting down outsiders and dissenters. So toxic.

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      17. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25

        Don't really have anything to contribute/add really. This was all just a thing I noticed about the message board I read (for reference, it was the now-defunct Reddit sub r/incels)

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      2. S. C. Flynn‏ @SCyFlynn Apr 25
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        I did not know anything about; thanks for being brave enough to do this research!

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      3. Tom‏ @Tomcat_Redroom Apr 25
        Replying to @SCyFlynn

        Not brave, and barely research tbh. I was just morbidly fascinated by the subculture a while ago. Can't really explain why.

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