Allowing an obnoxious person to hold forth as much as they like in your discussion group means you're excluding a larger number of people who silently opt out because they are not built for that kind of social interaction.
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And—sorry for the political hot-button, but I believe this is just a fact in societies I've lived in—more of the obnoxious posters are privileged man and more of the silent "no thank you" crowd are women, people with thinner margins of safety, etc.
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Rules will not fix this. Whatever the rules are, the obnoxious person will figure out how to tread the line of the rules, but they'll still drive away the crowd who silently retreat.
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There are two models: the public square where everyone has a right to speak except for certain extreme exceptions, and the private party where nobody should be invited unless they're going to make it better for everyone else.
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There are two vexing grey areas. One is obnoxious participants acting within the bounds of the rules. The other is privately owned forums that are so widely used that they become a locus of public discourse, and their extralegal moderation decisions amount to censorship.
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As to the first, yeah, that's what moderators are for: to ban people who are abusing the community while still abiding by all the rules.https://twitter.com/zooko/status/1141460623244636160 …
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As to the second, I agree, but I also think that the current unexamined assumption that social discourse (e.g. twitter) is a common space that has to meet everyone’s norms simultaneously is a dead end and we’ll take a lot of damage driving down it.
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My view is: For a US service like Twitter, everyone should be able to maintain an account and post to their own feed as long as their posts are lawful in the US. What’s needed are better tools for users to pre- or post-moderate reply threads.
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Then everyone is the decider of what can appear in threaded replies to their post, and groups can maintain shared block lists if they like, and the site doesn’t have to globally decide what people are allowed to say.
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Exactly. Someone is going to say something I think is horrendous and vile and they should be allowed to say it... but! I can choose to block them and I will. I don't need Twitter deciding what I see, especially when that power will likely be abused by them at some point.
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In fact social media give you powers that in a physical world only courts can give you. Effectively a restraining order for the haters to stay away from you. And that's provided the person abides by that order.
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