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    1. Gwen C. Katz‏ @gwenckatz Apr 26

      The reason you can't solve incels by making sure lonely guys get enough sex is even more basic than the many moral and safety issues. Incel is not a relationship status. It's an identity.

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    2. Thorvaaldr Frithsamr‏ @Thorvaaldr Apr 26
      Replying to @gwenckatz

      It's like talking about fixing a Republican by giving them a tax cut. That's the thing that they talk about wanting. That is not what makes them who they are. You have to make them *not want to be assholes.*

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    3. Gwen C. Katz‏ @gwenckatz Apr 26
      Replying to @Thorvaaldr

      Great point. It's not like you heard anyone respond to the tax bill with "great, now taxes are just right, we don't have to worry about this issue anymore."

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    4. Thorvaaldr Frithsamr‏ @Thorvaaldr Apr 26
      Replying to @gwenckatz

      I think we should try to keep boys from growing into the kind of men who think this way, and, try to get men who think this way, to think like rational people instead, but I don't think appeasing their position is worthwhile, even leaving out the "Make PEOPLE sex them?!?!" part.

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    5. Gwen C. Katz‏ @gwenckatz Apr 26
      Replying to @Thorvaaldr

      The only real way to address the problem is to change the culture so boys are less entitled from the get go.

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    6. Thorvaaldr Frithsamr‏ @Thorvaaldr Apr 26
      Replying to @gwenckatz

      IMHO, "changing the culture" is one of the things we always say is the answer, but, how much is it an achievable answer, especially in any reasonable time frame? And, do we even, actually, *know* how to change culture?

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    7. Thorvaaldr Frithsamr‏ @Thorvaaldr Apr 26
      Replying to @Thorvaaldr @gwenckatz

      We can - sometimes, if we're lucky, and pick our battles - get people to agree that saying "X" in public, or, doing "Y" where people can see them, is unacceptable.

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      Thorvaaldr Frithsamr‏ @Thorvaaldr Apr 26
      Replying to @Thorvaaldr @gwenckatz

      But changing the *culture*, getting to where a certain percentage of people don't, behind closed doors, hold racist/sexist/incel ideas and act, and base their worldview, on those beliefs, is something that I am not sure we actually even *understand* how to do, reliably.

      4:22 PM - 26 Apr 2018
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        2. Gwen C. Katz‏ @gwenckatz Apr 26
          Replying to @Thorvaaldr

          True.

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        3. Thorvaaldr Frithsamr‏ @Thorvaaldr Apr 26
          Replying to @gwenckatz

          Looking at the world, one of the things that keeps me up at night is wondering if the 20th century *really* changed things, or if the dark side of humanity's Id is saying "Eh, we tried inclusion and acceptance, let's go back to I Got Mine and xenophobia and Might = Right."

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        4. Thorvaaldr Frithsamr‏ @Thorvaaldr Apr 26
          Replying to @Thorvaaldr @gwenckatz

          I would LIKE to be optimistic. But I think that being civilized still has a long fight ahead of it, versus mankind (and men's) darker impulses.

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        1. Thorvaaldr Frithsamr‏ @Thorvaaldr Apr 26
          Replying to @Thorvaaldr @gwenckatz

          The first part, yes. That second? Culture absolutely does change. But do we actually change it, directionaly, deliberately? We certainly think we do. I am not sure.

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