You are the one changing the subject. My points have been; When including emotional abuse (and abuse with a weapon), men are just as likely to be victims. You brought up generic violence stats, and at a 1.3% chance, that isnt a cause for concern. We dont live in a violent culture
not to mention that belief in a patriarchy is silly. Systematic benefits for males? Why are we killing ourselves, why are women able to financially and emotionally destroy us in divorce court? why is FGM illegal, but circumcision isnt? Women have more rights & protections than us
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FGM is the equivalent of removing the entire glans not just the foreskin. Not to mention where women are completely sewn shut. Type 1 is the closest to circumcision but it's still equivalent of removing the glans, unless they just take the hood.https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/female-genital-mutilation-fgm/ …
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fgm types range from a tiny pin prick to the most horrific thing you can imagine. when they circumcise a boy they remove half the specialized skin system meant to be on the penis every time. and loosing the glans or more is a very real possibility. complications are common.
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I'm not pro-circumcision. Unless it's the least severe FGM, women lose all pleasant sensation. Circumcision does not have the same effect in men, unless there is a serious complication. I'm fine to not cut any baby, but I'm not Jewish.
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even some Jewish folks are okay with leaving their baby intact now a day. look up the Brit shalom ceremony. its the same beautiful Jewish ceremony without the circumcision.
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When I had my sons the thought of cutting them made me feel sick. Other than deep religious reasons, I do not understand why people cut their babies. I don't get it at all.
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So you support it in religious situations? Because both FGM and circumcision are religious ceremonies. I condemn both.
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I'm not going to tell Jewish families they can't circumcise their sons. In Muslim families there is no religious reason, it's cultural. For Jewish men it's the sign of their covenant.
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the reason, back in the day was to prevent sand and debris getting trapped under the foreskin. For Muslims, it is a show of ownership of the woman. Nowadays, no excuse for either to occur. It is torture and brutal, with many complications, usually done by non-professionals.
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Saying it's silly to believe in the patriarchy ignores the reality for loads of women. It's working class men who are suffering. Wealthy men are doing just fine. Wealthy men aren't the ones dying in industrial accidents, they can afford excellent divorce lawyers.
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What you are saying is flawed logic. You say women suffer, not men, which is implied when the word 'patriarchy' is mentioned, yet you admit that generally speaking, men do too (given the wealthy are a minority). What you describe is an oligarchy, not patriarchy.
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Patriarchy is about power. I'm talking about this kind of thing:https://blogs.wsj.com/riskandcompliance/2018/06/01/men-explain-why-few-women-sit-on-u-k-corporate-boards/ …
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This is about boards not appointing women because they dont meet the qualifications of other candidates, and then offering explanations as to why not as many women may apply. The same could be said about men and Universities. Less men apply, so should we limit spaces for women?
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And women get destroyed in divorce courts too you know.
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And finally, please can you specify the special rights and protections women have that men do not?
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women can get away with attempted murder with no criminal record https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/16/oxford-university-lavinia-woodward-stabbed-boyfriend-may-avoid-jail#img-1 … women have government funded domestic abuse shelters, men have a Telephone Number which is community funded https://www.mankind.org.uk/ want more?
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I've said this before, but the reason women have refuges is because women set them up. There is nothing standing in the way of men doing this for themselves.
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if you want a good read about why men dont have as much widespread support in this, you should look into Erin Pizzey and her role in setting up women's refuge centres in 1971 and her subsequent research and death-threats. anyone attempting to do this is shouted down.
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I did read about her. I have sons, and a husband, so I get where you are coming from, but you should listen to women, and you should look at history. Social class rather than sex is what causes men to suffer. Super wealthy men run society through an old boys network of money.
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both my wife and my mother were sexually abused, myself being physically abused by my mother, so i know a thing or two myself. I know what abuse looks like. I do not automatically believe women just on their say so, especially after the injustices of hoax claims 1/
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I'm so sorry you suffered abuse, and I'm sorry your wife and mother suffered too.
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whilst thankful, I dont see a need for apology. people need to look to the future and the past to prevent it, not dwell on it. Men need the same protections in scenarios like this as women. They need funding and access, like women, but are refused at every point.
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