She may be family, but she is not a faithful member. Always she can embrace Christ and turn herself around. But if she sees a mess and bails out on the Church she is not faithful.
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Brother I am no Sede but it seems to me this pope invites the comparison. One still needs compassion and forgiveness 7×7. Unless judgement is something you'd want to invite .. you know the rest.
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A person must be faithful to be faithful. If they are unfaithful, they are unfaithful. It is not given to us to declare who is and is not part of the family, but we are definitely commanded to rebuke one another for unfaithful conduct. It is right and loving to do so.
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Rebuke yes, just as you are doing to me and I am to you. Yes by all means question but its not in line with ones serious commitment to advancing in the faith. Certainly, that point has not been reached to start violence for intractibility.
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I don’t understand you. Where is the call to violence?
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Once rebuke has failed, as implied by your wanting them out in the cold. I'm in the same boat but try the method of charity and diminish my own will in the matters. The particulars of the case would be being blocked by a priest and still having a sense of humor.
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I think I see where we missed each other. My rebuke was about people LEAVING the Church under their OWN decision because they dislike the state of the Church leadership. If they choose to abandon the Church in time of need they are not being faithful.
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Yes, the fault is in finding no fault in themselves and finding it in others. I hate my fickle heart and find myself angry to see it in others. I hate that I'm tempted to leave because my sin is so strong, I need perfection to idealised my struggle with.
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I don’t know that temptation to leave is sin. Surely everyone feels that despair at times. But leaving means giving into despair rather than staying to fight for the heart of God’s Church. That to me seems an abandoning of faithful duty.
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Tradition is passing on what is good. We have a sacred duty to find work to do in duty to our faith, which is aknowleged in our love of Christ. I fear that this duty is being torn which can not easily be mended.
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I think it will be mended as quickly as God intends, for the Church is not its leaders and God remembers where His lost children scatter to.
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