Interesting thread that touches on aspects of the Oedipal mother complex. Don't agree with all of it, but some parts touch on something deeper worth considering.https://twitter.com/TheBrometheus/status/1063820731912380417 …
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Replying to @liberalnotlefty
Glad you can see some value without fully agreeing. And you’re exactly right, it’s essentially just an update on the Oedipal complex for modern audiences.
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Replying to @TheBrometheus @liberalnotlefty
Out of curiosity, which bits failed to resonate with you?
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The only part I found some disagreement with was this tweet. Rather than full out disagreement, I just think it misses another aspect of why some mothers can do this smothering as the son gets older -- lacking masculine presence from the *father*, who either lets her take over
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Replying to @liberalnotlefty @TheBrometheus
the raising of the son too much, or a father who isn't around at all. I see it a lot in marriages with masculine women + "beta" submissive husbands. The wife wears the pants in the marriage and the husband just meekly & pathetically goes along with everything, but at the end of
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Replying to @liberalnotlefty @TheBrometheus
the day, she is still a woman and can't compensate fully for what a male presence would bring. Her son ends up suffering because of it, for the reasons you (very eloquently) said. So while I agree with the son needing to overcome the mother, I think a crucial part in the equation
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Replying to @liberalnotlefty @TheBrometheus
is also ensuring the father's masculine presence is active from the start. I've often believed mothers should take a step back when their son becomes a teenager, and let the father lead more. I think failing to do this, as well as single motherhood (even in situations where
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Replying to @liberalnotlefty @TheBrometheus
it might not be the mom's fault, like a widow), definitely increases the likelihood of that Oedipal mother -- who, as you said, creates a dependent man-child she suffocates w/--albeit well intentioned-- protectiveness. One that stems from maternal energy left unchecked/imbalanced
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We actually don’t disagree at all. Everything you’ve said mirrors my own belief on the duality. Looks like the issue was me focusing laser-like on mother-son relationships without describing the interplay with the father’s masculinity/presence. You’re correct in your assessment.
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Replying to @TheBrometheus
No issue at play, twitter can be hard to include at the details we'd like :) Id call this an internet win ;)
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Replying to @liberalnotlefty
Just to be safe, maybe one of us better throw an accusation?
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