What do you mean by made up games?
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@GPSolomon I'll wrap up my point - it's a stretch since play is not ritual, but both are similar to a dream-like state. A marriage ceremony or kids making up games: they are constructs which encode values useful for the "more real" challenges in life.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
A dream like state? More woo. There is nothing remotely similar to dreams and play (or marriage or other rituals, for that matter). You guys need more science, less Deepak Chopra.
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Replying to @GPSolomon
I'm still figuring it out myself, but I think you miss imagination. The mind is very flexible at thinking on different levels. Marriage takes the mating pair and ceremonially decrees its sacred worth. If you don't see the point, you should watch Peterson's biblical lectures :-)
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Replying to @TeubenRoald
Please supply the objective measurable worth of "sacred."
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Replying to @GPSolomon
I suppose "sacred" can be translated in the secular sense as "really important in a context that is bigger than you or your perception." The mating pair is sacred because it is fundamental to society, hence we have a marriage ritual that says it is worth a whole lot (of woo :-))
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Replying to @TeubenRoald
Again, meaningless. "Really important" is not objective or measurable. "Bigger than you or your perception" is doesn't mean anything objective. A mating pair is fundamental to society in that its how we reproduce. Marriage isnt needed though.
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Replying to @GPSolomon
Native Americans considered the land and animals sacred. Within the animism and religion, they intuited the interconnectedness of life, what we now draw in textbooks with imaginary arrows and call ecology. That was bigger than them or their immediate perception.
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Replying to @TeubenRoald @GPSolomon
Is the ecosystem important or is it meaningless? I think so, but it could be destroyed in an instant and the universe wouldn't blink. Meaning is in the mind and you will never measure it. You'll have to let go of nihilism to appreciate this. You are sacred, but your cup is full.
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Replying to @TeubenRoald
Well, Im not a nihilist, so that will be easy. You've also proved the point. Meaning is subjective. Therefore you cant say that rituals that have no objective meaning, that myself and many others think are meaningless, are somehow fundamental to society.
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Haha ok. Well thanks for the convo. Ultimately, I do think marriage is good for society because it says the mating pair is sacred. I hope you at least agree that the integrity of the mating pair, on a cultural level, has effects that ripple through time - that's objective. Cheers
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