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    1.  💀Ghoul Pirate Solomon 💀‏ @GPSolomon 10 Nov 2017
      Replying to @TeubenRoald @iamtexture @jordanbpeterson

      I am replying to what he said. He said they simplify things. What you say is equally nonsensical. A ritual does not objectively imbue "meaning" into anything, its all in your head my friend. People can work together better when they share a purpose, make it a real one.

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    2. Texture‏ @iamtexture 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @GPSolomon @TeubenRoald @jordanbpeterson

      They do simplify things. The complexity of the ritual is to imprint a memory within the participants. It acts as a symbolic boundary which shifts the fundamental nature of social reality. After that, everything is simpler.

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    3.  💀Ghoul Pirate Solomon 💀‏ @GPSolomon 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @iamtexture @TeubenRoald @jordanbpeterson

      But come, try to actually answer my previous critiques, rather than resort to ad hominem. Ill give you some new ones as well. By what objective, observable, measurable mechanism do complex rituals imprint memories within participants?

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    4.  💀Ghoul Pirate Solomon 💀‏ @GPSolomon 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @GPSolomon @iamtexture and

      How does a "symbolic boundary" shift the fundamental nature of social reality? Again, what mechanism? What peer reviewed sources can you cite to show that it "makes everything simpler" (and how would that be measured)?

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    5. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @GPSolomon @iamtexture @jordanbpeterson

      @GPSolomon do you think it's good for kids to play made-up games with each other, insofar as it leads to more success in relationships later in life?

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    6.  💀Ghoul Pirate Solomon 💀‏ @GPSolomon 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @TeubenRoald @iamtexture @jordanbpeterson

      What do you mean by made up games?

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    7. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @GPSolomon @iamtexture @jordanbpeterson

      @GPSolomon I'll wrap up my point - it's a stretch since play is not ritual, but both are similar to a dream-like state. A marriage ceremony or kids making up games: they are constructs which encode values useful for the "more real" challenges in life.

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    8.  💀Ghoul Pirate Solomon 💀‏ @GPSolomon 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @TeubenRoald @iamtexture @jordanbpeterson

      A dream like state? More woo. There is nothing remotely similar to dreams and play (or marriage or other rituals, for that matter). You guys need more science, less Deepak Chopra.

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    9. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @GPSolomon

      I'm still figuring it out myself, but I think you miss imagination. The mind is very flexible at thinking on different levels. Marriage takes the mating pair and ceremonially decrees its sacred worth. If you don't see the point, you should watch Peterson's biblical lectures :-)

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    10.  💀Ghoul Pirate Solomon 💀‏ @GPSolomon 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @TeubenRoald

      Please supply the objective measurable worth of "sacred."

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      Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @GPSolomon

      I suppose "sacred" can be translated in the secular sense as "really important in a context that is bigger than you or your perception." The mating pair is sacred because it is fundamental to society, hence we have a marriage ritual that says it is worth a whole lot (of woo :-))

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        2.  💀Ghoul Pirate Solomon 💀‏ @GPSolomon 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @TeubenRoald

          Again, meaningless. "Really important" is not objective or measurable. "Bigger than you or your perception" is doesn't mean anything objective. A mating pair is fundamental to society in that its how we reproduce. Marriage isnt needed though.

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        3. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @GPSolomon

          Native Americans considered the land and animals sacred. Within the animism and religion, they intuited the interconnectedness of life, what we now draw in textbooks with imaginary arrows and call ecology. That was bigger than them or their immediate perception.

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        4. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @TeubenRoald @GPSolomon

          Is the ecosystem important or is it meaningless? I think so, but it could be destroyed in an instant and the universe wouldn't blink. Meaning is in the mind and you will never measure it. You'll have to let go of nihilism to appreciate this. You are sacred, but your cup is full.

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        5.  💀Ghoul Pirate Solomon 💀‏ @GPSolomon 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @TeubenRoald

          Well, Im not a nihilist, so that will be easy. You've also proved the point. Meaning is subjective. Therefore you cant say that rituals that have no objective meaning, that myself and many others think are meaningless, are somehow fundamental to society.

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        6. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @GPSolomon

          Haha ok. Well thanks for the convo. Ultimately, I do think marriage is good for society because it says the mating pair is sacred. I hope you at least agree that the integrity of the mating pair, on a cultural level, has effects that ripple through time - that's objective. Cheers

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