Your changed position is equally nonsensical by the way. How on earth do complicated useless rituals simplify things?
I'm still figuring it out myself, but I think you miss imagination. The mind is very flexible at thinking on different levels. Marriage takes the mating pair and ceremonially decrees its sacred worth. If you don't see the point, you should watch Peterson's biblical lectures :-)
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Please supply the objective measurable worth of "sacred."
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I suppose "sacred" can be translated in the secular sense as "really important in a context that is bigger than you or your perception." The mating pair is sacred because it is fundamental to society, hence we have a marriage ritual that says it is worth a whole lot (of woo :-))
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Again, meaningless. "Really important" is not objective or measurable. "Bigger than you or your perception" is doesn't mean anything objective. A mating pair is fundamental to society in that its how we reproduce. Marriage isnt needed though.
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Native Americans considered the land and animals sacred. Within the animism and religion, they intuited the interconnectedness of life, what we now draw in textbooks with imaginary arrows and call ecology. That was bigger than them or their immediate perception.
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Is the ecosystem important or is it meaningless? I think so, but it could be destroyed in an instant and the universe wouldn't blink. Meaning is in the mind and you will never measure it. You'll have to let go of nihilism to appreciate this. You are sacred, but your cup is full.
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Well, Im not a nihilist, so that will be easy. You've also proved the point. Meaning is subjective. Therefore you cant say that rituals that have no objective meaning, that myself and many others think are meaningless, are somehow fundamental to society.
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Haha ok. Well thanks for the convo. Ultimately, I do think marriage is good for society because it says the mating pair is sacred. I hope you at least agree that the integrity of the mating pair, on a cultural level, has effects that ripple through time - that's objective. Cheers
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