I mostly don't see how to get from "universal complexity" to "human life and relations"
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Replying to @simpolism @0x49fa98
Something like: Humans are the highest expression of natural complexity, take that as good, so human life and relations should be maintained. Not saying it's precise, but it's good enough to recognize "degeneracy" like child sex abuse.
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Replying to @TeubenRoald @simpolism
I don’t know if this works, since I could build Rube Goldberg machines of arbitrary complexity, more complex than any human, and then in this model, they would have more moral value than humans
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Replying to @0x49fa98 @simpolism
That's part of why it's imprecise, because complexity is not standardized. How many humans equal one of your Rube Goldberg's? n/a
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Replying to @TeubenRoald @0x49fa98
OTOH child sexual abuse seems totally unrelated to universal complexity
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Replying to @simpolism @0x49fa98
Inductive reasoning: Sex abuse leads to trauma, addiction, therefore a less a productive society. A meteor might smash Earth in 300 years. Our preparation (survival) may be a function of how much sex abuse went unchecked. Thus, sex abuse is contrary to universal complexity.
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Point of my example is that this moral framework can consistently judge what is "evil". Striving for "good" is a matter of accumulating complexity (or technocapital?), the end justifying the means. Competitors and natural cataclysms set the stage; adapt or die.
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This puts morality on non-relativistic grounds. In a sense, "god" is the force of natural selection - the final judge, the wages of sin being death.
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I'm playing devil's (or gnostic demiurge's?) advocate. Do you think this is a rational ground against your 2 points? People are subject to moral judgment and it is by a 'god' manifested in the reality of our material universe: the tendency toward complexity.
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Replying to @TeubenRoald @0x49fa98
I appreciate the responses! I'll have to reply in a day or two, I'm feeling ill and can't think or reason as effectively as I'd like.
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No worries, dude. I almost deleted these posts cuz it's a bit overboard. I had too much coffee and went kind of nuts thinking about this earlier. Good night
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