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    1. cashew_later‏ @dixie_czyk Aug 4
      Replying to @TeubenRoald @markemer @AngryBlackLady

      Literally that is what systemic means, “over a sweeping average.” And yes, what affects the sweeping average does affect the individual. This does not mean there are no downtrodden white folks. It has never meant that.

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    2. Mark Anderson‏ @markemer Aug 4
      Replying to @dixie_czyk @TeubenRoald @AngryBlackLady

      Yeah. White people aren’t systematically oppressed because of race. Class, sure. Education, sure. But not race.

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    3. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald Aug 4
      Replying to @markemer @dixie_czyk @AngryBlackLady

      I don't find this "systemic" viewpoint fruitful because there are countless systems/institutions. Power+privilege are contextual. It's bogus to say "X can't be racist because X isn't 'systemically' in power." Is the system a single static pyramid to represent the nation?

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    4. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 4
      Replying to @TeubenRoald @markemer and

      It may help to understand that racism is not a thing one group does to another but something a society does to itself, systematically valuing one set of characteristic over another or one group over another. Racism is the systematic over valuing of white people over POC.

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    5. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 4
      Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald and

      Even African Americans will test positive on implicit bias tests *against African Americans* because they're the recipients of all the same societal messages that white people are. They do tend to have lower implicit bias levels, though, as they have more chances for counter msgs

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    6. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 4
      Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald and

      Racism is simply part of being socialized in the United States. It's our culture. We can only change it by actively fighting it. And you can't do that by imagining hypothetical white kids being oppressed at black schools.

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    7. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 4
      Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald and

      It's true that power is contextual, but contexts are not categorical. That hypothetical school still exists in the US. The only privilege that one wouldn't have would be superiority of numbers. They still would be likely to be less harshly disciplined by their teachers,

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    8. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 4
      Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald and

      An ability to leave the school to go to any other in the area without parents going nuts at board meetings, a relative certainty that if he gets pulled over by the cops and doesn't threaten anyone, he won't be killed, a greater likelihood of leaving poverty... Shall I go on?

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    9. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 4
      Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald and

      Because the point you're missing is that even in contexts where African Americans are more numerous, the power is still held by whites or on behalf of white supremacy.

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    10. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 4
      Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald and

      The hypothetical you are looking for to make your argument would be a white kid in elementary school in Wakanda.

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      Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald Aug 4
      Replying to @allisons @markemer and

      Thanks I get your points. Now surely there is systematic-racism AND racism? Absolving individual discrimination-by-race from the label "racism" is harmful. Like if I refuse change to white homeless guys, just cuz they're white, that's not racist? Call a spade is a spade!

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        2. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 4
          Replying to @TeubenRoald @markemer and

          Yeah that's not racism. It's just mean. Maybe it's racial prejudice? I feel like maybe you haven't been reading the thread at all?

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        3. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 4
          Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald and

          The homeless experience discrimination too. Is this a good time to introduce the concept of intersectionality?

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        4. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald Aug 4
          Replying to @allisons @markemer and

          Let's call it a day, Allison.

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        5. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald Aug 8
          Replying to @TeubenRoald @allisons

          Hey @allisons would you be so kind as to introduce me to intersectionality? Turns out it is important to me.

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        6. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 8
          Replying to @TeubenRoald

          I'm going to naively assume you're being sincere. Because hope! The first thing you need to get is the concept of social stratification. Society is not an undifferentiated blob - people are different and they're organized in to stratum or hierarchical layers.

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        7. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 8
          Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald

          The features, characteristics, and interests are unequally valued. Society as a whole is designed by and for the dominant group.

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        8. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 8
          Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald

          But obviously there's more than one way to slice up people into these groups - the most obvious one's being gender, race, and economic class.

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        9. Allison‏ @allisons Aug 8
          Replying to @allisons @TeubenRoald

          And you may be in the privileged class for one group and the underprivileged class for another. I'm an upper middle class white woman. I have lots and lots of white and class privilege but I suffer (some) disadvantages because I'm female.

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