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Short hop waveland back approaches give you a big window to whiff punish his grab (if he grabs).

sh waveland is good if they only whiff punish by grab but loses to literally everything else (nair/fair/dtilt/fsmash/dash forward grab/DD)

Would honestly be down to talk in dms about it more. I could lab out exactly what fox can do out of the cc scenarios as well

spaces aerials are pretty much all safe, not viable to try to cc often imo same for dtilt (need true CC, which loses to grab)

You mean Marth right? I know armada goes for cc dash grab a lot against marth's falling fair

ya, that isnt true but a decent mixup

problem is that youre taking damage at CC percents (most valuable % to lose), gotta know when they fair, and then u still need a read