LEFFEN#0Verifierat konto

idk how its so obvious to you that fox *definitely* does lose to marth or sheik or falco, i can see it happening so easily

Marth is arguable and even then, we haven't seen a high lvl campy fox since Jman (which is what fox should do to marth)

but you think that sheik/falco both have 0 debate vs fox? I'm mostly calling into question the degree to which its debatable

Sheik, 0 debate. Falco's debatable. I could even see giving him the edge, but I think most foxes suck at the MU+few good falcos

if falco AND marth both won the head to head vs fox, that's already a good start for an argument that fox isn't the best imo

I think Marth wins in this meta because foxes play honest but he loses if they decide to hardcore camp him. Same with sheik

you really think fox camping is that strong?

Yes. Most people are just bad at it