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I honestly have no idea why it's taking players this long to start talking about Smash 4s problems. The "wait and see" has been taken to far

@L3ff3n My least favorite argument is "wait and see." It's the early talks that FORGE the metas and stuff. So ridiculous.

@KenseKense @L3ff3n That's actually not true at all for most Fighting Games, how it looks early on is very rarely how it looks late.

@jchensor @KenseKense examples? Especially how with similar engines and after 2 months, I don't agree with you

@L3ff3n @KenseKense Unblockable setups made Urien viable in 3S. Roll Canceling made many chars viable in CvS2. The Valle CC changed SFA2.

@jchensor @KenseKense these are 1.char specific 2.game revolutionary techs. Those are the exception, not the rule

@L3ff3n @KenseKense ...in one game don't reflect the bugs in others. A lot of what makes Melee technical are bugs which took years to learn.