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what top tier do you think they beat?

I just feel she has options that work on everyone. I did a test and she can reach pretty much the entire playable area of battlefield from center stage in under a second without giving up stage control. I don't currently think she's top tier but she's definitely viable.

I don't anyone ever doubted that she would be good with stage control lol I don't really see her winning any top tier matchups at all and most mid tiers have at least one they do well in

again, her options just work on everyone. So she can still manage her bad matchups, even rush down. Yeah, she'll have to read a little bit harder but she still has options for everyone. She doesn't get invalidated by anyone.

honestly I don't even know how you can say shit like this. First off half her moves are drastically worse against short characters, and she has terrible landing&recovery regardless of how good you think her advantage state is. its WAY too early to say that she has no awful MUs

I didn't say she doesn't have bad match ups. I just said that a lot of the stuff she does just works because of her range so she can't be invalidated in neutral like most slow characters. And yes her disadvantage can be bad but that doesn't auto make her bad.

most slow characters can't be invalidated in neutral either, they just have worse risk reward and can't pick and choose their battles. the same applies to byleth.

has a slow character with bad framedata and almost no combos and bad recovery ever been even high tier in any smash game? thats ALSO a mid weight? and don't say snake