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WHEN DID I SAY WE CAN'T BAN HIM?! My argument has always been "you have a burden of proof. You're claiming we should ban him. Please present your argument and evidence." Yes. We've seen how he plays at locals and online. Other than that, there's no data you can hand me yet.
This is not a courtroom. There was never any proof to show that items or most stages were objectively not competitive in Ultimate. Using burden of proof as an argument is ridiculous.
We had a tournament with items at E3 2018. We saw that it didn't work out in competitive play. On top of that, it's existed before. We've gotten this data. Even from Nintendo tournaments. And no. You can't get me to drop the burden of proof. You're making a claim. Support it.
E3 2018 was a alpha build PR event. I know because I WAS THERE. In no way was that proper proof that items as they are in 4.0 should be banned.
Not mutually exclusive
Actually we do have plenty of evidence that items and hazards don't work well competitively. You played in the E3 invitational with items and hazards. For months leading up to release people were able to play in those conditions.
If locals and online aren't acceptable as suitable proof as to why hero should be banned then why would even like those be acceptable for why items should be banned especially since we didn't even have a pgr and or a standard rule set out yet
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