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BTW, all down-b pulls have a simple counterplay, jump ins, pressuring him, shielding, letting him burn his mana. He has no unblockables except KAMIKAZE LMFAO, he has no free spells, ect. Finally whack / thwack stuff Thwack is 22~ frame startup, combined with menu and that's
how the fuck do I jumpin or shield vs zoom or magic burst when im offstage lmao And he can cancel it with 4 frame lag then a 6 frame grab vs shield or a uptilt vs jumpins. I hate when people act as if you know heros not going to cancel menu lmao
Sheik needles are also reactable in melee if you dont count the fact that you can cancel them. You cant react to thwacks startup itself reliably while also reacting to other options.
Yeah you're right, you can't react to Sheik needles when they mix it up if you're not expecting needles, and you can't react to Thwack if they mix it up if you're not expecting the Thwack. But do I need to explain to you why it's important to prioritize what you're reacting to?
No matter what he has to spend 20 frame on menu pull. If he cancels then his fastest option is frame 24 shield. And guess what, that's his entire point.He is meant to mindgame you with menu, so i'm sorry if you misread a projectile and got grabbed like every other projectile char
Zoom leaves him vulnerable while he is descending, if you pressure him he has to DJ, airdodge, or mash, you can also some what react to where he is zooming too, it's good but overrated if you're on stage. It also has 0 I frames, EASY to pressure off stage because of the startup.
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