Just calculating wins that are ranked on the PGR becomes incredibly silly when you do this. How am I supposed to control that other people get upsetted? That ZD dropped off later but when I won vs him he was seeded high? Placements + bad losses should be >>>>> wins early IMO
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If meru goes and gets 2nd at every EU tournament ever, but only Gluttonny goes to the US and gets PGRd, he retroactively has 0 wins of note? It's such a bad fucking system.
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you can only beat the people in front of you, and if anyone gets upsetted, the other player who then beats the one who upset a higher seed, shouldnt be punished harshly for it. Yeah if you live in america you can roll the dice more times and eventually get a high PGR bracket.
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen @HugS86
1. I specifically said top-50 wins for a reason. Our list of "notable" players actually includes *190* people; among those are your wins on Kofi, LingLing, and, yes, ZD. Beating someone outside the top 50 is still valuable and it would be a huge oversight if that wasn't.
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2. You're also rewarded for outplacements; 17th at Genesis gets you partial points against 59 players you tied or outplaced, including Glutonny, Nairo, and Marss 3. No, Glutonny has multiple Meru wins, and as Meru was included in our 190 people, those are valuable.
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4. At the same time, you have plenty more chances to buster out and lose points (see: Wizzrobe). Going to a tournament is not points-positive for everyone, especially if you have already been to a lot or perform very poorly.
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Antwort an @PracticalTAS @HugS86
Reread the meru tweet... And obviously I didn't think the other wins/placements have 0 impact, the point is that placements should be by far the #1 most important stat, not wins.
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And wizzy is a shitty example since it's more like he had one positive outlier. A european player would only get 3 97ths and end the season there, the fact that wizzy is even in talks for PGR shows enough.
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen @HugS86
People are talking about him because he's Wizzrobe and because his best event was very high-profile. Anyone who looks at his Smash Ultimate results chart on Liquipedia for 5 seconds can tell he's not actually in talks for PGR.
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And we're already trying to account for US-centric results with the international tournament multiplier. I don't know how much more we can do to account for US players getting more chances other than punishing bad tournaments even harder.
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I don't know the exact values you used so I can't say, but if you truly think that you did a good job in fairly representing japan/eu then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen @HugS86
At the very least I don't think anyone from JP or EU that didn't make top 50 should have made top 50. Possible that a few JP could have snuck on under a panel system via "potential" or "from what little we saw of him", but those would have been mistakes.
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Would some of the int'l people on the list have been higher if they had more chances to show their stuff? Yeah -- but if that was an easy problem to solve, I would have solved it already.
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