Yeah for sure! I could see punishes getting a lot more optimized (foxes used to spam up throw up air but marths are good at SDI now so leffen kinda opts for waveshine up smash, which could change) I could see lasers being used more in the MU, we might find better ways to recover.
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Oh I thought a while ago you were talking about having to waveshine up smash because of SDI on up airs. idk I have faith that we foxes can do stuff better in the future, maybe eventually we can find single hit up air setups to help punish game.
Single hit uair is not realistic cuz of di and slower startup + easier to slide off. Obv theres things to improve, but that goes for marth even more so I heavily doubt the MUs gonna get much easier.
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Yeah you definitely might be right. I just think there's still a lot of unexplored stuff in this game and we're always learning new things that I'll always hold out hope :)
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1 sdi away on the shine and waveshine dash jc grab/upsmash become 2 frame windows. At low % upsmash is punishable by tech in place shine and uthrow is a 50/50 of whether they jump or not. If they do you full hop uair and if not (mash uair or dair) you sh uair
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Tech in place grab* not shine lol
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2 frames isn't a consistent window but at least it's doable. However if marth isn't consistently SDIing away on shine it opens for more punish routes at about 20% of waveshine walk forward dtilt. Which can also be teched in place but leaves you +6 at max dtilt spacing
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From there a dash jc grab beats his dash back and shield but loses to roll/spotdodge on wakeup. This interaction goes on from 20-40 after which dtilt just becomes a launcher
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