Ok so even hotter take but Wolf's dsmash deserves it LMAOAO
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Antwort an @toph_bbq
what tournaments are wolf winning
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen
That's the metric we're going by now? Something can be buff/nerf worthy regardless of tournament performance, c'mon man you know this. Or does Joker need nerfs because mkleo decided he'd start playing him...?
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Antwort an @toph_bbq @TSM_Leffen
I still see you saying they should've touched Inkling etc in spite of the lack of Inkling representation at the top, don't play dumb with me Leff lmao
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lmao obviously results arent everything, that was just a throwaway line,but wolf has had a TON of top players play him (tweek/leo/zackray etc + tons as a secondary) and yet they all seem to be searching for secondaries and swapping even before any of the 2 nerf patches to wolf.
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen @toph_bbq
I personally think wolf already lost to most top tiers (peach olimar lucina pichu inkling) while being a "good" top tier. i dont think nerfing KO power 2 patches in a row to a move that already is hard to land at high level outside of edgeguarding is the complete wrong direction.
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen @toph_bbq
now to inkling - the people who do play inkling do not struggle result wise, and I think inkling is a far far more degenerate/boring top tier (while also being better than wolf pre patch imo). The fact that they nerfed olimars recovery and increased his hurtbox but not inkling...
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen @toph_bbq
is hilarious to me. and they buffed jab instead of fixing that it does 55% sometime?
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen
Yeah I mean again some of the specific changes don't make sense, I agree with you on all the specific points you're bringing up, again this thread was just to say that the overall balance direction isn't that problematic-
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Antwort an @toph_bbq @TSM_Leffen
-and if anything the nerfs that are the worst are the ones where they just removed a kill option or win condition. Again I agree with all the minor points you're making, except I don't think wolf dsmash nerf was uncalled for (it literally still kills at everything cept low%).
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i think they nerfed KO strength on the 4 best-for-the-game top tiers (lucina peach pichu wolf) that also happen to kill especially early by the edge, thus heavily reducing edgeguarding and stage control.
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen @toph_bbq
Lucina fair and fsmash only kill 6% later I believe
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen @toph_bbq
Lucina fair is not gonna kill any later than it would have. If you're edge guarding with it, it'll still kill and if you're using it in neutral, you're not using it to kill so it doesn't really hurt her that much. F smash only barely got touched too. She's still incredible
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