(u can very easily 2 frame up b and its worse for edge guarding in most cases, and counter is better for recovering before arsene)
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Joker is so fun but also wack af sometimes Why does his recovery get way worse in arsene mode LOL
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Why is pound using Pokémon stadium one instead of Pokémon stadium 2?
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what's the difference?
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How is it worse? Non-Arsene Joker gets gimped really hard because of the tether’s poor horizontal recovery. With Arsene he’s much harder to edgeguard due to the better horizontal + iframes on startup.
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Hookshot has mixups because you can dip so low and choose when to pull up. Horizontal recovery is usually not an issue because of gun dash + air dodge. Arsene’s lack of hitbox really sucks and he has no invincibility at the apex of the recovery making it easy to spike or 2-frame.
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His recovery is worse w Persona ? Nani?
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definitely way more mixup potential with the grapple
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I honestly don't think the Smash dev team understands the concept of how safety factors into a recovery
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Yeah, I wish you could choose when Arsen came out skmetimes. Because there’s been so many times where I die for that
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