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Why post this if ur not going to argue the point if anyone disagrees lmao And no just cuz u think hes better than two bottom tiers does not make him mediocre lol

I'm not going to argue *with you* because honestly it's a waste both of both our time & energy. Regardless of what I say your mind is set.

ive changed my mind on plenty of things in ultimate, im legit curious as to why you think charizard is not a liability just because he (to you) better than little mac.

To me there is definitely a chance hes not the worst, but to me I dont see him working as he should (stock tank/recovery/killer) in the PT trio, and in that way he is imo far from mediocre and is a liability.

See now this has been framed differently. Had you asked for my opinion on why I felt the way I did from the jump rather than just saying "that's not true" I'd be more open to discussion.

The main thing is that regardless of how bad Zard is, I can't see him as a liability because his existence doesn't subtract from PT, rather at worst he adds very little. He's an underwhelming asset rather than a liability.

well the thing is, since ivy isnt consistent enough at killing vs most top tiers, you still need to play charizard, and thats why everyone eventually plays him and generally, does very poorly. it also makes Ivys down b awful, since if he swapped to squirtle one of his main flaws

Wait genuine question here can you explain what you mean by ivy isnt consistent at killing. Ivy has a fuck ton of kill setups off grab razor leaf and well just look at up air. Im not trying to prove you wrong just a little confused