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well grabs were infinitely more powerful in 4, and ivys grab is a short 12 frame tether with no other good ground normals - he doesnt actually have good mixups into grab sadly

fair, razor leaf, and bair grab are all good mixups at low%, they give you plus situations for you to guess between airdodge, jump, and attack, and due to the range of grab you can basically just wait there for an option and then get heavy advantage off jump/grab the others

plus fair past the percent where you get grab gives the same adv state you would get off of grab (double upair), and so does leaf. Leaf also early percents true combos into dash attack which gives a similar position/juggle situation as grab

i dont think grabbing airdodge/directional airdodge/specials/different attacks/emptyland spotdodge or jab on reaction is realistic at all the big problem is that its 12/13 frames and laggy, while the opponent doesnt have to fear anything else from grounded ivy

and like, most top tier characters dont need to land a late aerial THEN make a big read, they just land an aerial into actual true combos

while that is true yeah trainer gets more reward off of the read and generally can kill earlier sans a few examples like peach

i dont agree that ivys kill % is low on average against good players who DI, if that was true then you wouldnt see every PT go Charizard despite how awful he is. and honestly ivy doesnt get above average punish from grab outside of platforms and double uair at 10

that's why you ban fd imo, without a platform you guarantee 30 and with a platform which is way more frequent than you think it's 50, plus his punish game should also take into account his juggling which is top 1/2 and is SUPER free to get more damage off of, basically guaranteed