LEFFEN#0Verifizierter Account

her* my bad

as long as you have insanely good throw setups fishing for grab will always be somewhat viable if you know how to condition people and have some normals that mixup into it, no matter who it is

well grabs were infinitely more powerful in 4, and ivys grab is a short 12 frame tether with no other good ground normals - he doesnt actually have good mixups into grab sadly

fair, razor leaf, and bair grab are all good mixups at low%, they give you plus situations for you to guess between airdodge, jump, and attack, and due to the range of grab you can basically just wait there for an option and then get heavy advantage off jump/grab the others

plus fair past the percent where you get grab gives the same adv state you would get off of grab (double upair), and so does leaf. Leaf also early percents true combos into dash attack which gives a similar position/juggle situation as grab

i dont think grabbing airdodge/directional airdodge/specials/different attacks/emptyland spotdodge or jab on reaction is realistic at all the big problem is that its 12/13 frames and laggy, while the opponent doesnt have to fear anything else from grounded ivy

and like, most top tier characters dont need to land a late aerial THEN make a big read, they just land an aerial into actual true combos

while that is true yeah trainer gets more reward off of the read and generally can kill earlier sans a few examples like peach