oh definitely like tons of bad di moments, but ivy has a lot of coverage of both di's so i think it's alright. di up or in on vine whip to die off the top as gnw is unforgivable though LOL
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Antwort an @Pandarianssb @TSM_Leffen und
also frankly the only top tier mus i struggle with as pt is wolf/pichu, who are unfortunately common but still both doable
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biggest problem is that people the higher level you go and the more people get familiar with ivy they just start not getting grabbed as easily
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you don't need grab to start his advantage state, and sure his grab is bad the theoretical perfect world isn't the same as the world we live in, the one where dk/zss in s4 could fish for grabs at the top level with setups and find great success
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Antwort an @Pandarianssb @TSM_Leffen und
as long as you have insanely good throw setups fishing for grab will always be somewhat viable if you know how to condition people and have some normals that mixup into it, no matter who it is
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well grabs were infinitely more powerful in 4, and ivys grab is a short 12 frame tether with no other good ground normals - he doesnt actually have good mixups into grab sadly
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fair, razor leaf, and bair grab are all good mixups at low%, they give you plus situations for you to guess between airdodge, jump, and attack, and due to the range of grab you can basically just wait there for an option and then get heavy advantage off jump/grab the others
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plus fair past the percent where you get grab gives the same adv state you would get off of grab (double upair), and so does leaf. Leaf also early percents true combos into dash attack which gives a similar position/juggle situation as grab
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i dont think grabbing airdodge/directional airdodge/specials/different attacks/emptyland spotdodge or jab on reaction is realistic at all the big problem is that its 12/13 frames and laggy, while the opponent doesnt have to fear anything else from grounded ivy
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and like, most top tier characters dont need to land a late aerial THEN make a big read, they just land an aerial into actual true combos
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while that is true yeah trainer gets more reward off of the read and generally can kill earlier sans a few examples like peach
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i dont agree that ivys kill % is low on average against good players who DI, if that was true then you wouldnt see every PT go Charizard despite how awful he is. and honestly ivy doesnt get above average punish from grab outside of platforms and double uair at 10
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