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on another topic, does any character actually have a good matchup vs Inkling? I feel like they are so incredibly strong at what they wanna do and yet still have basically 0 abusable weaknesses. Help me understand how to beat this char!

imo ofc, just my exp: Fox wins, he can dance around shield with buttons and Inkling has no real frontal burst OOS. he dictates pace of match easily and is harder to edgeguard than you'd think Ink also slight loses to swords, particularly control ones like Lucina

I can not see inkling not being able to edgeguard spacies lmao. I have an hard time seeing fox beating them on stage hard enough to make up for a huge edge guarding difference, but i do agree its prob one of the closer mus.

admittedly i had Fox problem in S4 i never fixed so it might just be me lol that said tho i don't think Inkling can get out to Illusion distance fast enough to get big hit (fair/bair) and if you just intercept with nair, you get ~8% and lose stage since he jumps and side b's

Why would inkling not get out fast enough? Theyre one of the fastest chars in air and on ground with 4 fast aerials that all work as an edgeguard

just doesn't happen in my exp, idk what to tell ya fair/dair startup alone is basically same time as Illusion startup so you can't do that on reaction, can't get under him for uair, bair works but you gotta get out there and commit

What Fox side b is the same as 4 iirc and thats 21-25 and its the same in melee Yall need to learn to edgeguard if you think fox side b is not hittable

it's not that you can't hit it, it's that the act of just jumping offstage to hit it is committal and reactable i def agree he can get stuffed offstage, just don't think it's as free as you're thinking--people will get better tho, and maybe in the future it will be lol