Real talk tho, if smash 4 is so perfect and great why are you guys so hype for all the changes in ultimate 
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To everyone who said "who said its perfect???" - no one said it, but many act like it, as if you dislike smash 4 or anything with it you need to be a melee elitist, you couldnt possibly just think it has problems.
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen
I definitively think that Smash 4 has problems. Character kits are poorly executed for like 80% of the cast, DLC was a mistake and there should've been more buffing going on. Ledgetrumping is a great mechanic, the airdodge sucks westballz.
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Antwort an @CJP_Libra @TSM_Leffen
I hate not being able to hog ledge
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Antwort an @NotJoeTochtrop @TSM_Leffen
Are you meme-ing or is that actually something you don't like? Cause ledge hogging is such a bad mechanic.
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Antwort an @CJP_Libra @TSM_Leffen
Naw it just kicks ass being able to limit your openents options like in smash 4 the ledge is like so free to at least get to
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Antwort an @NotJoeTochtrop @TSM_Leffen
That....is kinda true. But that's limited to the really good recoveries that are hard to intercept. Other recoveries however can be edgeguarded well enough, it's just on the player to do it. Just getting to a ledge to invalidate 2/3rd of a roster is really not a good mechanic.
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Antwort an @CJP_Libra @TSM_Leffen
I mean there are ways to get around being ledge hogged unless the ledge is really your only option but if the ledge is your only option to recover your opponent deserves the opportunity to hog it
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Antwort an @NotJoeTochtrop @TSM_Leffen
But it makes characters with a bad Up-B (cause below ledge is usually the worst spot) pretty much unviable and making them practically worse at recovering than little mac. Losing invul after a regrab is also a great mechanic to be honest.
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you obv dont know much about melee. The low tiers all have pretty good recoveries vs edge hogging and theres plenty of good chars with bad recoveries who are bad against it. It definitely makes no character unviable.
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Antwort an @TSM_Leffen @NotJoeTochtrop
My main game is Smash 4 so...yeah. My opinion might just be built on subjective things which is why I'm not going to say that one game is better than the other. Just that both games have their strong points and their weak points.
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I find forcing yourself to edgeguard opponents hard enough to get them out of the ledgegrab range more rewarding than simply grabbing the ledge, either forcing them to die due to lack of recovery options that go past the ledge or get forced to do that and get punished off that.
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