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Not really practical way to get the second shine, much better imo to aim for full length wavedash walk-shine (notches/momentum) or dash f1 aerial shine Overall the reward isnt worth it/only very rarely do you have enough stage, but I think 1 extra shine and go for nair/fthrow

Why is it not a practical way to get the 2nd shine? The window is not that hard. I think you're undervaluing how much you could get out of a utilt in either direction after the shine where you get behind him

Because its a 5 frame window and you have to do so many inputs that can waste frames (shine - jc - wavedash -dash - hold till run - shine) and this is assuming you go for a one frame link to begin with, which is inherently inconsistent w polling...

5 frames doesnt sound like much but I find it more consistent than I would think. There is suuuch a big reward to it also. its annoying to have upthrow be the best option there

Its certainly possible to do it in a vacuum but try it in real matches and you'll see. Several of the inputs will result in you getting nothing if ur even 1 frame early

Yeah I think this is fair. I'm going to try it out and see where it goes and hope that others do as well. I just want to advance things as much as possible, and I'm tired of not having good punish options on marth in certain situations

I feel you, ive labbed this over and over again for the past year+, sadly i think its simply wasting time better spent elsewhere. Fox just has a bad punish game marth, best thing is to gimp/mix things up and hope they suck sadly.

Thats the point I am at for waveshine uair since its simply too ridiculous. The 5 frame window on the running shine opening up more punishes is enough for me to try and go for it. I agree that his punish game on marth is bad. I play v marth the same way now :(