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Is there a reason you can't just dash outside the range of their move and then use a turnaround tilt? You can act out of turnaround and dash on frame 1, and uptilt/dtilt are combo starters for a lot of the cast.
because you cant mix up your dash length, and ftilt/dtilts do not have enough range generally, and most chars aerials have way more range than say a fox nair, with added aerial mobility.
You can mix up your dash length, even if we're only talking about the fox trot you can choose it's length based on how hard you press the control stick down. My other comment explains there is basically melee dash dancing, people just don't know how to do it yet.
Thanks for the quick reply. So the counters themselves don't reach far enough, but you also can't maintain speed well enough to get in with something else. Probably some exceptions, like Mewtwo dtilt, but that means characters with big aerials might have a huge advantage.
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