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I talk systems security, author https://DecentSecurity.com  + http://GotPhish.com , write Scifi, sysadmin, & use Oxford commas. Kinda prefer they/them.

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    SwiftOnSecurity‏ @SwiftOnSecurity Jan 3

    I’d love a blogpost written from the perspective of a chipmaker - Why this issue exists. I’d never question their competency, but it seems like a violation of expectations in hindsight. Based on my very limited understanding of these issues.

    6:12 PM - 3 Jan 2018
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      1. SwiftOnSecurity‏ @SwiftOnSecurity Jan 4

        SwiftOnSecurity Retweeted The Register

        Update: It appears Linus is also confused on why this is expected behavior.https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/948727914312298496 …

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        Linus Torvalds giving Intel both barrels over its CPU bug PR spin 🔥🔥🔥 https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/3/797 … pic.twitter.com/Go02sQUN62
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      2. rst‏ @rsthau Jan 3
        Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity

        1) Vulnerability to cache timing attacks wasn't part of "correctness" criteria when this stuff was designed. 2) [For Intel] doing the access check in parallel with sequential execution saves time, with no "observable" effect if you ignore 1).

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      1. Jonimoose  ☃‏ @Jonimus Jan 3
        Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity

        My gut says the desire for speed lead to someone choosing the fast path over the safe one, hence why AMD isn't as susceptible.

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      2. Robᵉʳᵗ Graham  🤔‏ @ErrataRob Jan 3
        Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity

        So I wrote a blog post that hopefully answers your question. It's kinda vague, so hit me for followup questions.

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. "Daniel Carosone".parse().unwrap()‏ @redtwitdown Jan 3
        Replying to @ErrataRob @SwiftOnSecurity

        "Daniel Carosone".parse().unwrap() Retweeted rst

        This is the best single-tweet summary ICYMIhttps://twitter.com/rsthau/status/948740076091203585 …

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        rst @rsthau
        Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity
        1) Vulnerability to cache timing attacks wasn't part of "correctness" criteria when this stuff was designed. 2) [For Intel] doing the access check in parallel with sequential execution saves time, with no "observable" effect if you ignore 1).
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      4. "Daniel Carosone".parse().unwrap()‏ @redtwitdown Jan 3
        Replying to @redtwitdown @ErrataRob @SwiftOnSecurity

        oh and BTW @Metlstorm is going to love the typo in your other blog post titlepic.twitter.com/c9A9JAKTqt

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Robᵉʳᵗ Graham  🤔‏ @ErrataRob Jan 3
        Replying to @redtwitdown @SwiftOnSecurity @Metlstorm

        Mettle-down!

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      1. Pessimist by Nature, Content by Choice‏ @PessByNature Jan 3
        Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity

        http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/288304/?reload=true … This is decades old technology, literally older than SQL injection. Until someone stopped and said 'wait a minute', entirely predictable that it'd keep getting carried forward and refined, because to many, it had quite literally always been a thing.

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      2. Robᵉʳᵗ Graham  🤔‏ @ErrataRob Jan 3
        Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity

        The simple answer is that it's "correct" behavior according to their definition of "correct". There is not bug.

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      2. rcombs, now 100% asbestos-free‏ @11rcombs Jan 3
        Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity

        Literally nobody realized. That’s it. People considered impact of speculative and OOO execution, and put rollbacks in place, but nobody ever considered the impact on cache timing. Same thing as with every timing sidechannel ever.

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      2. Patrick Andersen‏ @pocketpc_ Jan 3
        Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity

        Core issue is optimizing for performance over all else. Would be interesting to study the origin of the performance culture.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Josh  🌹‏ @clarkis117 Jan 3
        Replying to @pocketpc_ @SwiftOnSecurity

        Performance and safety aren't mutually exclusive things, it just requires a hell of a lot more work to get it right 😀

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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