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Ecologist, educator, sustainable design instructor, student of ornithology. DC/MD native, RPCV (Bolivia), alumnus of U. of Michigan and Cornell.

SF Bay Area, California
Joined September 2010

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    1. gaijingirl2004 Bronx Progressive/Green.  🦺  🇵🇸 ✡️‏ @gaijingirl2004 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @SustainableFred @chesaboudin

      Yes, I did answer Voting for the Green candidate in 2000 & 2016 didn't support the duopoly. That inherently helped the left, & would have done more, if more people had the courage of their convictions. Let's flip that - how did voting for Hillary "help the left"? ⬇️

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    2. Fred Werner‏ @SustainableFred 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @gaijingirl2004 @chesaboudin

      The duopoly won every time. No less of a mandate ever. It proved the Green party’s irrelevance and hurt the left by feuling and supporting the DNC’s and MSM’s arguments blaming us for . Even though those arguments were false, it made it harder to rally anyone to join the left.

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    3. gaijingirl2004 Bronx Progressive/Green.  🦺  🇵🇸 ✡️‏ @gaijingirl2004 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @SustainableFred @chesaboudin

      Nope. They'll blame us whether we vote Green or not. The LAST thing anyone should do is give a mandate to one's abuser. A Joe Biden administration would be a horrific blow to the left - because it would cause the centrists to go to sleep and ignore progressives even more. ⬇️

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    4. Fred Werner‏ @SustainableFred 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @gaijingirl2004 @chesaboudin

      There is no mandate that could possibly be given or withheld by anyone to either of these candidates. There will be a President in Jan. It will be a Dem or a GOP, he will rule as if he has a mandate. You’re finally getting what really DOES matter: what we do AFTER the election!

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    5. gaijingirl2004 Bronx Progressive/Green.  🦺  🇵🇸 ✡️‏ @gaijingirl2004 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @SustainableFred @chesaboudin

      EVERY SINGLE VOTE IS A MANDATE. Yes, there will be a President in January. But the less votes that Dem or GOP POTUS has, the better. You have *zero* reason to argue against maximizing the Green vote now. Unless you really *don't* want to see the duopoly challenged?

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    6. gaijingirl2004 Bronx Progressive/Green.  🦺  🇵🇸 ✡️‏ @gaijingirl2004 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @gaijingirl2004 @SustainableFred @chesaboudin

      @thebluemaverick, I think this is one of the cases of what I described a few days ago... An individual who claims they're progressive - But seems h*ll-bent on suppressing 3rd party voting.

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    7. Emmanuel‏ @thebluemaverick 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @gaijingirl2004 @SustainableFred @chesaboudin

      No politician is entitled to anyone's vote.

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    8. gaijingirl2004 Bronx Progressive/Green.  🦺  🇵🇸 ✡️‏ @gaijingirl2004 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @thebluemaverick @SustainableFred @chesaboudin

      Here's the phenomenon I'm seeing - Folks who are ostensibly progressive. They argue not *necessarily* to vote Biden (though some do.) But downplay voting Green. IE: "it's not helpful", "there are other things to focus on", etc. Despite a 3rd party vote being no-lose.

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    9. gaijingirl2004 Bronx Progressive/Green.  🦺  🇵🇸 ✡️‏ @gaijingirl2004 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @gaijingirl2004 @thebluemaverick and

      I highly suspect at least some (or many) accounts that do such are actually on the Biden "team". Because after all - if indies are discouraged sufficiently to not vote at all, their 'no' votes are easily dismissable as apathy.

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    10. Emmanuel‏ @thebluemaverick 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @gaijingirl2004 @SustainableFred @chesaboudin

      And then they'll be subsequently blamed later

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      Fred Werner‏ @SustainableFred 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @thebluemaverick @gaijingirl2004 @chesaboudin

      I went going door to door for Bernie in both 2016 and 2020. I was NOT on Hillary’s team nor Biden’s. I see how the DNC strangles progressives & 3rd parties. That’s why I support electoral reforms like #RankedChoiceVoting that can give ind’s and 3rd parties a chance.

      7:40 PM - 18 Jul 2020
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        1. gaijingirl2004 Bronx Progressive/Green.  🦺  🇵🇸 ✡️‏ @gaijingirl2004 19 Jul 2020
          Replying to @SustainableFred @thebluemaverick @chesaboudin

          Yes, but Fred - You've spent this entire thread pushing the concept that voting Green/3rd party is useless. *IF* you weren't actively trying to suppress the 3rd party vote, your point would be: "Vote #greenparty, AND follow through with grassroots bottom up measures XYZ."

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