How did voting 3rd party in 2000 and 2016 help progressives? How did Gore’s and Clinton’s losses help move the party left or energize/empower Greens, Social Dems or any other 3rd party? How did Bush/Trump winning with zero mandates in 2000 or 2016 weaken the RNC?
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Replying to @SustainableFred @chesaboudin
How did voting for the allegedly "lesser" of two evils help progressives in 2000 or 2016? Or for the last 40 years? That strategy *gave* us Trump. Voting either Biden or Trump continues that. ATM, voting
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Replying to @gaijingirl2004 @chesaboudin
Please answer my questions. I asked them in all seriousness.
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Replying to @SustainableFred @chesaboudin
I did. The bottom line is, they're innocently (I hope) faulty framing. Voting 3rd party in 2000 and 2016 at least didn't give the Dems or Reps a larger, undeserved mandate. It's a shame more of us didn't have the courage of our convictions.
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Gore & Clinton lost on their own. Though Trump is horrific, Clinton would have been, too. (Remember: HRC gave us Trump via her Pied Piper strategy, and by being a toxic candidate.) Again, by far the best 2020 strategy is to
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Replying to @gaijingirl2004 @chesaboudin
You haven’t answer my question: how did voting for the Green candidate in 2000 or 2016 help the left?
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Replying to @SustainableFred @chesaboudin
Yes, I did answer Voting for the Green candidate in 2000 & 2016 didn't support the duopoly. That inherently helped the left, & would have done more, if more people had the courage of their convictions. Let's flip that - how did voting for Hillary "help the left"?
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Answer - it HURT the left. Because it was that many less votes for Green. And Hillary failed to acknowledge the huge chunk of her vote which wasn't FOR her. They were fear votes against Trump. Factoring that out, she only garnered approx 20% populace. Pathetically low.
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Replying to @gaijingirl2004 @chesaboudin
I never said voting for Hillary was helping the left - THERE IS NO PRESIDENTIAL OPTION TO HELP THE LEFT. The best we can do is stay out of it, focus our energy on electoral reform like
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Replying to @SustainableFred @chesaboudin
Wait - so you're arguing we shouldn't vote at all? What does THAT accomplish, given that any no-vote is immediately disregarded as voter apathy?
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I’m not saying don’t vote. I’m saying don’t campaign. Spend your campaigning time, money, energy on something that CAN help the left, like a #RankedChoiceVoting ballot initiative or a progressive candidate for Congress or local office.
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Replying to @SustainableFred @chesaboudin
Greens SHOULD campaign. That's how they gain votes. And every single progressive/indie SHOULD vote Green in 2020. In Blue, Red and Swing states. Across the board. And THEN - since we're capable of multi-tasking, fight for RCV, progressive down ballot candidates, etc.
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