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    Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

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    Let's say we build this wall. Let's say we give Trump the money and we build a wall 30 feet tall, 2000 miles long. Doesn't matter how, doesn't matter what it costs, don't worry about the details. Build the wall, right? 1/ https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076084489422557184 …

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      2. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        No. No. Don't roll your eyes. It's not a trap. This isn't me doing that thing where I seem to ask a provocatively obnoxious question, but I'm REALLY fishing for something else entirely. Nope. Not that. I'm saying: we build Trump's wall. 30 feet high, 2000 miles long. 2/

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      3. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        Now, bear with me here: The US/Mexico border is 1954 miles long. Currently, about 700 miles is fenced in some fashion. Meaning a bit more than 1200 miles isn't. Why? 3/

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      4. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        Well, because most of the border is remote, away from urban development, in rugged territory, deserts, etc. So, if you build this wall, 30 feet high, 2000 miles long, 1200+ miles of it would STILL traverse remote territory. Follow? 4/

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      5. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        Now, people being people, it won't matter how high the wall is, or how thick, or whatever passive systems (such as spikes or concertina wire, etc) you include. Given enough time and resources, human ingenuity will find a way over, under, or through your wall in short order. 5/

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      6. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        Particularly in remote areas, outside of full time observation. You don't need to take my word for this, you can research the effectiveness of such barriers from the Great Wall of China to the Berlin Wall, from Hadrian's Wall to the West Bank Barrier. 6/

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      7. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        What's that? Oh, right. The West Bank Barrier, the wall which divides Israel from Palestine. It WORKS, you say. It does. BUT it's not just a wall, it's a multi-layered defense system. Barbed wire, anti-sniper concrete wall, vehicle ditches, electronic systems, patrols. 7/

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      8. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        The cost to Israel (and Palestine) is high. It works. It keeps people penned up, apart. As it was designed to do and a number of American conservatives look to the Israeli model as an example. The American version would have to be 3 times as long and even more expensive. 8/

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      9. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        That barrier was designed, rightly or wrongly, to separate nations and people at WAR. And the ONLY way a such a barrier works is with constant monitoring, constant patrolling. Because otherwise, as I mentioned up above, all you need to defeat it is a ladder and some time. 9/

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      10. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        This is true of the West Bank Barrier. And it was true of Hadrian's Wall. And the Great Wall of China. The Maginot Line, the Berlin Wall, Saddam's line. They ALL had to be monitored and patrolled. Or they were no more an impediment to migration than any natural barrier. 10/

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      11. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        Up above, I mentioned the Maginot Line. The French spent enormous resources to fortify their border. But once in place, those resources were fixed. They could not move or be used elsewhere. When the Nazis did a rapid end run around the fortifications... 11/

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      12. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        ... all the enormous resources of the Line were immediately rendered moot, left behind in their fixed, immobile positions. By its very nature, a wall is fixed in position. Meaning, the defenses and resources of a wall are only useful AT THE WALL. 12/

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      13. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        Walls are good for small, limited, controlled areas where the wall is part of a larger system, and continuously monitored, protected, and maintained. Where those manning the wall have a SIGNIFICANT advantage over those the wall is designed to control. Like a prison. 13/

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      14. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        For Trump's wall, 2000 miles long, to work, you will HAVE to monitor it in real-time along every inch. You will have to install cameras and sensors, fly drones and aircraft, and put out daily patrols. Any unattended section, any blind spot will be found, and exploited. 14/

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      15. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        The people of the US and Central America are not at war. Those seeking refuge in the US are unlikely to storm the border with a Blitzkrieg of tanks -- and if they were, WE WOULDN'T BUILD A WALL ANYWAY because the US military doesn't fight from fixed positions. 15/

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      16. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        Those who build walls in the desert often die on them. As Saddam's army learned -- or didn't actually, given how the second war with the US went. 16/

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      17. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        Again, walls are useful for certain limited applications. But they are utterly impractical over thousands of miles. Your assets become fixed, inflexible, unable to adapt, and if bypassed they're useless. You will NEVER get a return on your investment. 17/

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      18. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        If you have to have eyes on the border ANYWAY if you have to patrol the entire length in real time ANYWAY if you have to monitor the cameras and sensors and drones ANYWAY if you have to counter any breach anywhere anytime ANYWAY THEN YOU DON'T NEED A PHYSICAL WALL. 18/

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      19. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        For a wall to work, to DO what Trump promises, it CAN'T be a simple barrier. It would have to be a complex system of technology and human beings where the physical wall itself is the LEAST part, its defenses fixed and inflexible, unable to adapt to changing circumstance. 19/

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      20. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        Once you implement the supporting systems and personnel you need to secure the wall, YOU NO LONGER NEED THE WALL. And without a wall, those systems become much more flexible, mobile, unpredictable, and adaptable. And cheaper. Vastly cheaper. 20/

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      21. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 21 Dec 2018

        History, our own military strategy, and our national security policies learned over two painful centuries, demonstrate just how useless and ill advised a fixed defense is. A simple wall is a simple solution for simple minds and worthless for anything else. 21/21

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      22. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        Stonekettle Retweeted Defuning

        But, that's the thing, isn't it? THAT, right there, is the joker in the deck. Build this wall, 2000 miles long, 30 feet high. Spend billions. And it doesn't work. Or doesn't work ENOUGH. Because it won't. People still get in. https://twitter.com/Asabovsobelo/status/1076870192704180229 … 22/

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        Perhaps we should stay mum about the very large body of water that forms the rest of the border and is less friendly to walls.
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      23. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        People still get in. Because they will. They'll go over your wall, under it, through it. To justify the money you spent, you'll have to spend MORE. More security people, more technology, more concrete, more barbed wire, more guns, more land. And people will STILL get in. 23/

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      24. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        People will still get in. They'll go around your wall, risking their lives on the ocean. So you'll have to patrol that, in force. You'll have to guard the coast, walk the beaches on foot, put up air patrols, more technology, build more walls. And still, they'll get in. 24/

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      25. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        They'll find a way, by land, by sea, by air, somehow they'll find a way. They'll get in, because humans are tenacious -- especially when they have nothing to lose. They'll get in. Even if they don't, you'll THINK that they are. They're STILL getting in, you'll believe. 25/

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      26. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        Those who profit from fear need somebody to blame. It's the easiest form of power, the simplest way to manipulate the rudest of minds. THEM. THEY'RE getting in. THEY'RE taking your jobs, raping, murdering, stealing YOUR democracy. THEM. We gotta do more. 26/

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      27. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        We gotta be safe. You built the walls, you patrol the beaches and the skies. But it's not enough, those in power tell you. THEY are still getting in. THEY are here. Oh yes THEY are. Who else would be causing these problems? We gotta do more. 27/

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      28. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        We gotta be SAFE. Don't you want to be safe? Don't you want your kids to be safe? Of course you do. We gotta do MORE. 28/

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      29. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        We've done everything to keep them out, but they're still HERE. So, we need some way to identify who belongs and who doesn't. You need proper identification. And then we'll need some sort of police force to check those papers... We have to be safe, don't we? 29/

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      30. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        Papers, please. Papers. That's how this goes. That's how this goes EVERY time. It's never enough. You can never be sure. You can never be safe. Those who thrive on this kind of power, the power of fear, they need you to be afraid. And so it will NEVER be enough. EVER. 30/

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      31. Stonekettle‏ @Stonekettle 23 Dec 2018

        Listen to me: You start building walls, you're building your own prison. 31/31

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      32. End of conversation

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