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    Steve Sailer‏ @Steve_Sailer Aug 13

    Steve Sailer Retweeted Neven Sesardic

    Off the top of my head guess: Richard Lewontin 150 IQ Stephen Jay Gould 130 IQ To play the Great Man of Science role in the media, like SJG or Neil deGrasse Tyson, a stratospheric IQ can sometimes get in the way.https://twitter.com/NSesardic/status/1004337419972472832 …

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    Neven Sesardic @NSesardic
    S. J. Gould did not do well on IQ tests. Why? Because, as he explains (NYRB, 1984), these tests "stress logical reasoning" and he was "hopeless at deductive sequencing". But if he knew his logical skills were meager, how could he trust his own logical reasoning against IQ tests? pic.twitter.com/d6iw8SjHa9
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      2. Synthetic‏ @SR71999 Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Where do you place Jensen IQ-wise?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Steve Sailer‏ @Steve_Sailer Aug 13
        Replying to @SR71999

        Psychologist Arthur Jensen would not report his own IQ. "Fortune" columnist Dan Seligman offered some textual evidence from Jensen's books suggesting he tested at around 156.

        2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
      4. Deus Voltage‏ @ScleroticNeuro1 Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer @SR71999

        Wouldn't surprise me too much. So, about Robin Hanson territory (based on Robin's GRE). Now I'd love to know Pinker's IQ. He seems hyper-conscientious and says he found MIT math off-putting, so maybe a bit lower, like around 148.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Steve Sailer‏ @Steve_Sailer Aug 13
        Replying to @ScleroticNeuro1 @SR71999

        Pinker would seem to me to be among the very, very smartest verbal public intellectuals (while still being highly functional with numbers). A tough combination to beat.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      6. Deus Voltage‏ @ScleroticNeuro1 Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer @SR71999

        He does speak in polished copy, though in his chat with Tyler Cowen I was struck by how much smarter and more mentally confident Tyler seemed despite his much plainer style. Gould was also a flawless speaker.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Klingon Code Warrior 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇩🇪‏ @KlingonCoder Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Carl Sagan is another good example. Richard Feynman was very much the exception.

        3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Steve Sailer‏ @Steve_Sailer Aug 13
        Replying to @KlingonCoder

        I knew a Caltech professor of astronomy who studied under Carl Sagan; he worshipped Sagan.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Peter Kolding‏ @pkolding Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        The weakness of IQ tests is that they cannot be corrected for indifference.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Steve Sailer‏ @Steve_Sailer Aug 13
        Replying to @pkolding

        There are High Stakes cognitive tests (military's AFQT/ASVAB, SAT, ACT, GRE, LSAT, MCAT, etc.) and Low Stakes tests (NAEP, PISA, etc.). Results are usually pretty similar, although there can be problems. NLSY79 used a 105-page ASVAB, which a lot of black males gave up on.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Peter Kolding‏ @pkolding Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        What are the stakes for graduate students in taking an IQ test?

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. End of conversation
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      2. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Smart but not too smart. The best for an age of mass media when, as Tocqueville predicted, people would be obsessed with "education" and "general ideas" and AS A RESULT struggle to appreciate fine-grained thought (indeed, "evolution" is such a general idea).

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Aug 13
        Replying to @Monty_Marmion @Steve_Sailer

        In passing, there is SOMETHING to Gould's "non-deductive reasoning" idea. I don't think Darwin, for instance, would have had an IQ comparable to say Newton's, or to many of his contemporaries. Growing up he was considered

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Aug 13
        Replying to @Monty_Marmion @Steve_Sailer

        a bit thick (it's all relative of course). And to read the Origin or the Descent is to be struck by its "literary" character in a bad way. But then, it's Darwin's theory, not Whewell's or Huxley's (who Darwin acknowledged was smarter)...

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Steve Sailer‏ @Steve_Sailer Aug 13
        Replying to @Monty_Marmion

        Darwin was an impressive writer by modern standards but nothing special by Victorian English standards. To me, Darwin was like Neil Armstrong: not a unique genius, but the result of the system working to put the right man in the right place at the right time. Galton, too.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      6. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Spot on.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Aug 13
        Replying to @Monty_Marmion @Steve_Sailer

        Finally, I think one reason it takes so long for someone to develop a full-blown theory of evolution (the idea had been around forever, of course) is that someone like Hobbes, who as well as being one of the greatest writers in English, a philosopher, who kept up with the natural

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Aug 13
        Replying to @Monty_Marmion @Steve_Sailer

        science of his day and whose thought would seem to depend on some notion of "development," wasn't that interested in the "boring" details; like his predecessors, he was more interested in metaphysics and politics ("the big stuff"). So again, it can pay not to be TOO smart...

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Hank  ❌‏ @queerviewmirror Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        When I worked at UW about 15 years ago, I found this in a recycle bin.pic.twitter.com/bMZQS2o6sc

        2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
      3. Hank  ❌‏ @queerviewmirror Aug 13
        Replying to @queerviewmirror @Steve_Sailer

        Note that it's got Lewontin's signature on it.

        0 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Aug 13
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Gould could never really understand factor analysis, which is the foundation of g factor theory. A man's got to know his limitations.

        2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
      3. Spectral‏ @SpectralTheorem Aug 13
        Replying to @primalpoly @Steve_Sailer

        Gould was consciously lying. He was a culture warrior, not a scientist.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. End of conversation

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