"The Irish became white in the 20th century" - Ezra Klein, "Vox" Also, Ezra, "Irish" is not the preferred nomenclature. "People of Potato," please.
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"The Irish became white in the 20th century" - Ezra Klein, "Vox" It's like how in 1862, Confederate President Jefferson Davis discovered that his Secretary of War Judah P. Benjamin was actually Jewish, and immediately promoted him to Secretary of State of the Confederacy.
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Seriously, shouldn't
@ezraklein of "Vox" ignorantly repeating Noel Ignatiev's retcon propaganda about the Irish not being white until the 20th Century be rightly seen as an insult to the actual suffering of blacks and American Indians in U.S. history?Show this threadThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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Wait why is it fracturing American politics isn't diversity supposed to be our strength?
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So we can put Joyce on racial diversity courses now?
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The thing that gets me is that Klein knows it's a lie.
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Ahh, there's your weakness. Do not let the fact that your opponent knowingly states lies as facts get under your skin. Simply acknowledge them as lies, and the speaker as a liar. Strategic lying is fucking lying.
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I know I know I’m still living in the old world
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Just my way of speaking in the cold new one.
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Chosen few like Klein or Noel Ignatiev will never stoop to being “white” despite their hectoring “my fellow white” fulminations.
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I'd still like to see some U.S. Census data for Irish people from the late 19th century which doesn't list them as White.
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Seriously--go on http://FamilySearch.org and search for Irish-born people in, say, 1880. All or almost all of them are going to be listed as White. It's the same for Italian-born people--though there'd probably be much more of them in the US in 1900 than in 1880.
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GWTW was written in the 20th century by a woman born in 1900. Sorry, doesn't refute Klein.
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So you picked the humorous attention-catcher that illustrates the point and not the actual arguments (viz Irish & Italians were allowed to come- even naturalize- when the US' de jure policies only allowed for Whites of Good Character, & later stamped them as "White" in documents)
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He chose the 'proof' and I questioned him on it.
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Hey Sailer, I looked into this, and it doesn't seem this historical event happened as you said it did at all, and only deals with Klein's point tangentially. It's almost as if you're taking the piss out of old hat arguments!https://mobile.twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1024054723551223808 …
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Didn't we get into arguments a few years ago because black people didn't like the suggestion Irish people were brought to the US as slaves? You can't have it every way
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How in hell did Irish people become citizens if they weren't white? They were white enough to be citizens. Something
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Gee, why would that evil, white-supremacist Confederate regime promote Irish Pat Cleburne to a general's rank?
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Wasn't Cleburne's ancestry Anglo-Irish, i.e. descended from the Protestant master class in whose eyes the indigenous (Catholic) Irish really were little more than vocalising gorillas?
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I might be wrong, but I believe he had converted to Protestantism, & was of Celtic stock. Of course, most Protestant Irish are Scotch-Irish, and thus Celtic as well.
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