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    1. Sam Bowman‏Verified account @s8mb Jul 26

      I agree that the expression isn't used the way it might if we designed it ourselves, but idioms mean what people use them to mean, not what we think they should mean. Nick's tweets imply that Harden is at fault because she's used the common meaning that he didn't know about.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    2. Ryan BOO!rana‏ @RyanKhurana Jul 26
      Replying to @s8mb @Outsideness and

      I’m not sure that’s what it does imply. You’re right that this is how the term is used, but there’s also a value in criticising the use of the term, because uncritical use of it might lead to the lottery metaphor being taken literally over time

      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
    3. Sam Dumitriu‏ @Sam_Dumitriu Jul 26
      Replying to @RyanKhurana @s8mb and

      What are you talking about?! Uncritical use? Sam's using the term correctly. No one except Steve Sailer and Nick Land have ever used the phrase genetic lottery to imply that genetic traits are random and not inherited.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Ryan BOO!rana‏ @RyanKhurana Jul 26
      Replying to @Sam_Dumitriu @s8mb and

      I’m not saying he’s not using the term as it’s commonly used, but why is that a reason to not criticise the metaphor?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Sam Dumitriu‏ @Sam_Dumitriu Jul 26
      Replying to @RyanKhurana @s8mb and

      Because the metaphor makes perfect sense. You are lucky to have been born with good genetic traits. Just as lottery winners are lucky. This is simple stuff.

      4 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    6. Seth Largo‏ @SethLargo Jul 26
      Replying to @Sam_Dumitriu @RyanKhurana and

      A kid born to two smart+good-looking parents does not have Lottery odds of being smart and/or good-looking. Lottery is random; inheritance of traits is to an extent inevitable. Your underlying moral, latently theistic point makes more sense if you replace "lucky" with "blessed."

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    7. Saloni  🎃‏ @salonium Jul 26
      Replying to @SethLargo @Sam_Dumitriu and

      No, this is interpreting the metaphor from the wrong angle, like I pointed out before. The "genetic lottery" is that, from any child's point of view, their genes are unchosen, not that parents have no influence on what genes they pass on.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Saloni  🎃‏ @salonium Jul 26
      Replying to @salonium @SethLargo and

      Now complaining that this angle is Rawlsian (OK, so what?) is a totally different issue from the obvious misinterpretation that Sailer and @Outsideness made in the beginning of the thread.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Pier Bove‏ @pierbove Jul 26
      Replying to @salonium @SethLargo and

      I think the confusion lies here: if you don't accept the Veil of Ignorance because you don't think it exists (we aren't souls waiting for a body/brain with certain characteristics) then you don't accept the metaphor to begin with. I THINK that's the disagreement, not sure.

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    10. Saloni  🎃‏ @salonium Jul 26
      Replying to @pierbove @SethLargo and

      I actually agree with that but that wasn't the disagreement here. Making it seem like Paige was stupid for (acc to them) not realising that parents could influence the genes they pass on, based on a misinterpretation of the metaphor, was the original mistake.

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      Steve Sailer‏ @Steve_Sailer Jul 26
      Replying to @salonium @pierbove and

      "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

      9:21 PM - 26 Jul 2018
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        1. Saloni  🎃‏ @salonium Jul 27
          Replying to @Steve_Sailer @pierbove and

          "The test of first-rate hyper-partisanship is the inability to understand how two ideas that are often heard from ideological opponents might not be actually incompatible with each other." -- me, just now.

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        1. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Jul 26
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          Whether truly "first-rate" or not, certainly indispensable for any ambitious young man or woman today (and then, part of being "smart" is knowing what's good for you): https://twitter.com/Monty_Marmion/status/1020799939775877121 …

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