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    Steve Sailer‏ @Steve_Sailer Jul 14

    Steve Sailer Retweeted Lazy Glossophiliac

    There are about 45,000 words in English (at, say, a John Updike-level of vocabulary proficiency). If you game the test by memorizing them all, well, you have a John Updike-level vocabulary.https://twitter.com/Glossophiliac75/status/1018352482295123969 …

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    Lazy Glossophiliac @Glossophiliac75
    Replying to @gwern @Ed_Realist
    You’re right that the knowledge of rare vocabulary is more gameable than reading comprehension. I guess a better test would rely less on it.
    9:38 PM - 14 Jul 2018
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      2. Lazy Glossophiliac‏ @Glossophiliac75 Jul 14
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        There are apps like Anki, which work like smart flashcards. They’ve made memorizing rare vocabulary easier than it used to be.

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      3. Lazy Glossophiliac‏ @Glossophiliac75 Jul 14
        Replying to @Glossophiliac75 @Steve_Sailer

        These apps are more effective than paper flashcards were because they show you the words you fail more frequently than the words you recognize. There are complicated algorithms for this. It’s become easier to memorize words in the last 10 years.

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      4. Lazy Glossophiliac‏ @Glossophiliac75 Jul 14
        Replying to @Glossophiliac75 @Steve_Sailer

        Pre-made Anki decks are more varied and available than paper flashcards ever were. You don’t have to carry around thousands of cards. It’s all on your phone. I think rote memorization has become easier.

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      5. Michael  👍🏻={ 🏳️‍🌈,  👬}  👎🏻={ ✝️,  🐘,  🐸}‏ @KingOfInternet Jul 14
        Replying to @Glossophiliac75 @Steve_Sailer

        I can vouch for Anki; I use it semi-religiously (or I am now—I started using it like six years ago to learn Japanese, but I fell out of the habit one or two years ago). Learning 45,000 English vocabulary words sounds like it would probably be a breeze (but also boring)

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      6. Lazy Glossophiliac‏ @Glossophiliac75 Jul 14
        Replying to @KingOfInternet @Steve_Sailer

        I was also speaking about Anki from personal experience. I’m a language nerd. Medical students use it a lot too. Don’t know if it’s used in GRE V cramming much.

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      7. Lazy Glossophiliac‏ @Glossophiliac75 Jul 14
        Replying to @Glossophiliac75 @KingOfInternet @Steve_Sailer

        Giving people long, convoluted passages to read and then asking them questions designed to test if they understood those passages - I think that’s the best approach to testing verbal ability. Less gameable than rare vocab.

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      1. David Pinsen‏ @dpinsen Jul 14
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        The correlation between IQ and the capacity for memorization must be high though.

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      1. (((Deplorable)))‏ @UDeplorableIV Jul 15
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        In practice the old vocabulary-intensive GRE Verbal was a pretty fanstastic test. I tutored for it when I was in grad school. Beyond a point it was impossible to prepare for. Very highly g-loaded. Very high ceiling. Part of why they needed to drop it.

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      1. James Martel‏ @IagoMartel Jul 14
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Once I games a history test by memorizing facts about all the historical events it covered

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      1. Ian‏ @eastviewphotog Jul 14
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Also, being able to 3D visualize a complex engine, tear it down, and reassemble it are linked to ability to game that, but it’s boring

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      1. Gary Royal‏ @6r0y4l Jul 15
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        ?? There are about one million words in English, possibly more if you count all the dialects peculiar to occupations. 45,000 words is an impressive vocabulary, but by no means a comprehensive one.

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      1. john bragg‏ @johnwcbragg Jul 15
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        but with adaptive testing you can blow through that ceiling, and start rummaging around in the jargon of hyper specialized acasemic fields.

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