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    Steve Sailer‏ @Steve_Sailer Jul 2

    Steve Sailer Retweeted  🎃 💀Sid 💀 🎃

    The extremely late development of mildly advanced statistics (e.g., Galton invented correlation in 1888, when he was 66) is puzzling. Big datasets were around for 1000s of years: Bible mentions at least 3 censuses. But nobody seemed to care until 1800s: http://takimag.com/article/the_rise_and_fall_of_statistics_steve_sailer/print#axzz5JzAIpGke …https://twitter.com/SidPolitics/status/1013950432778117120 …

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     🎃 💀Sid 💀 🎃 @SidPolitics
    Replying to @Steve_Sailer
    Curious that Galton struggled with mathematics at Cambridge, given his significant contributions to statistics.
    6:09 PM - 2 Jul 2018
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      2.  🎃 💀Sid 💀 🎃‏ @SidPolitics Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Being mathematically gifted is quite different from having a "statistical" worldview. I've known people far more gifted at math than me say, what I consider to be, stupid things like, "Women are just as good at math as men, because I knew this one lady at work..."

        2 replies 2 retweets 15 likes
      3. Martian Orthodox 🌲 ☦️‏ @MartianOrthodox Jul 2
        Replying to @SidPolitics @Steve_Sailer

        I want to strangle those people who cannot grasp overlapping bell curves, or per capita, or say 'I should of done it'. You're right about this blind spot-- I call it 'gestalt awareness' but 'statistical worldview' works as well.

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      4. Inoran‏ @Inoran9 Jul 3
        Replying to @MartianOrthodox @SidPolitics @Steve_Sailer

        And they keep repeating it. I have had so many unsuccessful conversations with them and their anecdotes. 😑

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      5. Martian Orthodox 🌲 ☦️‏ @MartianOrthodox Jul 3
        Replying to @Inoran9 @SidPolitics @Steve_Sailer

        I recognize that emoji-face... same one I make in these situations.

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      1. James Miller‏ @JimDMiller Jul 3
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        I wonder if ancient tax farmers used much math or proto-stats when figuring how much to bid to win a contract?

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      1. Michael  👍🏻={ 🏳️‍🌈,  👬}  👎🏻={ ✝️,  🐘,  🐸}‏ @KingOfInternet Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Obviously they didn't care about the datasets because they didn't have pandas or R before the 1800s, duh

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      1. Second City Bureaucrat‏ @CityBureaucrat Jul 3
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        No need for statistics when there aren't any rules against noticing

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      2. PNWDeplorable‏ @PNWDeplorable Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Empirical validation of statistical methods probably wasn’t so easy before modernity. Collecting the first data set isn’t the problem. It’s collecting the 2nd, or the nth, and comparing them to notice stable, replicable trends within.

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      3. Lazy Glossophiliac‏ @Glossophiliac75 Jul 2
        Replying to @PNWDeplorable @Steve_Sailer

        I think censuses tended to be periodic. Every strong state did them to help with tax collection.

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      2. A. Madhusudhana Moorthy‏ @chakranotdot Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Indian and Greek mathematicians and astronomers figured out a bunch of things so it's surprising they didn't stumble onto f=ma. they lacked algebra, sure, but had an uncanny way of verbalizing the same. too practical; didn't care?

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      3. A. Madhusudhana Moorthy‏ @chakranotdot Jul 2
        Replying to @chakranotdot @Steve_Sailer

        I mean the guy who invented 0 could also predict eclipses to a precision that shocked euro travelers some 1300 years later, and after newton. dont think it ever occurred to him that someone would want to trace the patterns of non-celestial motion.

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      1. Martian Orthodox 🌲 ☦️‏ @MartianOrthodox Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Before the industrial rev., extended reach of capitalism, etc, there wasn't much need for it. And there were plenty of rule-of-thumb heuristics available, free of PC nonsense. Avg. farmer/rancher in 1700 prob. understood heredity/race/sex better than avg. New Yorker today.

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      1. Bob Wakefield‏ @CockleburrSoft Jul 3
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Have you ever *tried* to do advanced calculations without the Hindu-Arabic number system?

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      1. James R Williamson‏ @jrwill9 Jul 3
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        It’s also surprising to me how late the development of probability theory was, given how long we’ve had games of chance and how obsessed people are with them.

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      1. Hypertorus‏ @Rite_Brite Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        "(As a patient in a 1997 statistical study of the first successful monoclonal antibody for fighting cancer, rituximab, I would demur that statistics really matter..." The "n of the one that really matters" principle.

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      1. Joe-vember‏ @joe_r_Odonnell Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer @Bottlenecked_Y

        We're better intuitive physicists (so calculus came first) than we are statisticians. Stats isn't intuitive

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      1. Clever Eagle‏ @clevereagle Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        One could argue that people invent the mathematics when they need it. In the 18th century, the life insurance business took off after the math needed for it was invented.

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      1. David Simon‏ @DavidSimonSPG Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        Big notation problems in past. MLVII divided by LXXX times itself? Try doing that without even thinking of modern notation.

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      1. Bernienomics‏ @Bernienomics Jul 2
        Replying to @Steve_Sailer

        About 30 years after Darwin published. Correlation or causation?

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