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Anti-authoritarian, bleeding-heart Stirnerite, ☯️. Banned in Sweden. SubGenius, Zhuangist, white-hat troll. Defrocked mathematician. Brain problems.

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    1. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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      She knows it when she sees it.

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    2. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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      A partisan newspaper has a party line. If they publish something, it's part of what they want people to believe. Her objection to """THE ALGORITHM""" is it's failing to *exclude* stuff *she doesn't want people to see*.

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    3. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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      If you can't distinguish between these cases, I don't think there's any value in discussing this further.

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    4. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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      Her specific error is called 'personalization' -- seeing all occurrences as a) willful b) directed at her. Like going into a grocery store and angrily pointing at the peanuts "DON'T YOU KNOW I'M **ALLERGIC**?"

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    5. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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      Put another way, she's claiming oppression when she's merely *not being obeyed*.

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    6. Lyrra Sark‏ @lyrra_sark 12 Mar 2018
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      A recommendation engine is a (mis)information promoter.

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    7. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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      Is a library one? Results have to come out in *some* order. Should every process prioritize 'won't offend ZT'?

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    8. Lyrra Sark‏ @lyrra_sark 12 Mar 2018
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      So no mechanism that sorts available options and floats some to the top can be viewed as a promotion system?

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    9. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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      Promotion is an agentic act. The pernicious sleight of hand underlying all these tech critiques is (deliberately) confusing 'X does not positively serve my ideology' with 'X serves an enemy ideology'.

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    10. Lyrra Sark‏ @lyrra_sark 12 Mar 2018
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      I think that's an interpretation of an interpretation. It may even be valid. But the question of "how does comparitively benign surfing generate these kinds of recommendation results" is, in itself, also valid.

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      St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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      There's an Issue there, yes. I'm confident (based on other threads I don't have to hand) that ZT is a bad actor here and has nothing constructive to add, except as an example of the problem.

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        2. Lyrra Sark‏ @lyrra_sark 12 Mar 2018
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          I probably agree. But I don't think anyone's going to examine it dispassionately at this point. It's far too fraught, and the interrogation of social media is necessarily going to be about some kind of normative view of society.

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        3. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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          I don't grant people like her any more respect or inevitability than I granted Jerry Falwell.

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        4. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 12 Mar 2018
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          Falwell lost. Mary Whitehouse lost. But this kind of syrupy malice needs to be clearly identified.

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        2. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky 12 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @St_Rev @datawench @draaglom

          I don't give any of the people actively bringing up these complaints credit, but I *do* think recommendation algorithms from search providers need a lot of thought as to how they work. Google / YouTube already do this because folks try to game them.

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        3. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky 12 Mar 2018
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          There was the Facebook thing a while back about how pro-Trump ads were charged at 1/5 the rate of pro-Clinton, because the Algorithm[tm] knew they were more controversial and generated more clicks and revenue. That's... something worth thinking about too.

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        4. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky 12 Mar 2018
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          I think once you have a recommendation engine you may be inherently exercising editorial judgment - even if automated and unintentional - and so should at least *understand* what that judgment actually *is*.

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