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Anti-authoritarian, bleeding-heart Stirnerite, ☯️. Banned in Sweden. SubGenius, Zhuangist, white-hat troll. Defrocked mathematician. Brain problems.

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    1. Laboria Cuboniks‏ @Xenofeminism 14 Feb 2018
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      yes. the confusion of epistemic & deontic modalities almost always leads to disaster. sometimes for science, sometimes for politics, usually for both.

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    2. Laboria Cuboniks‏ @Xenofeminism 14 Feb 2018
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      a hierarchical data structure, e.g., just *isn't* a political hierarchy. these are completely different levels of abstraction. insisting that abstractions are obliged to drag this or that stupid mundane muck around w them hamstrings abstraction

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    3. Laboria Cuboniks‏ @Xenofeminism 14 Feb 2018
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      this way lies lysenko

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    4. Laboria Cuboniks‏ @Xenofeminism 14 Feb 2018
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      you can *apply* ideas from mathematics, cs, etc. to politics, etc., even metaphorically. but the freedom to do that is grounded in the independence that formal thinking has from those particulars.

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    5. Laboria Cuboniks‏ @Xenofeminism 14 Feb 2018
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      so the really pernicious part of the OP's argument is that ethics needs to be "integrated" into computer science. it absolutely doesn't.

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    6. Laboria Cuboniks‏ @Xenofeminism 14 Feb 2018
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      and it gets a bit subtle for a precaffeinated twitter rant, but there's even an ethical argument for not burdening mathematics with ethics. mathematics *ought* to be free from oughts. "the essence of mathematics is its freedom."

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    7. Laboria Cuboniks‏ @Xenofeminism 14 Feb 2018
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      this looks like an application of ethics to mathematics, or even an "integration" of E in M, but it's not. it's at the meta level, and doesn't say anything about the objects of math or CS.

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    8. Laboria Cuboniks‏ @Xenofeminism 14 Feb 2018
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      which sort of brings us back where we started: what the OP does is collapse abstractions and cause confusions

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      St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 14 Feb 2018
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      I'd say that the demand -- not that CS workers consider ethics, not even that CS programs consider ethics, but that the most elementary ideas in CS should be made to center politics from the beginning -- is both totalitarian and dreadfully boring.

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        2. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra 14 Feb 2018
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          Also evidence from prior states that tried this indoctrination (soviet union) & vaguely similar social engineering attempts in "ze west" (sensitivity training, which has proven ineffective and possibly exacerbative) suggests that it would achieve nothing like the "desired" result

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        3. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 14 Feb 2018
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          Yeah, this goes to Huemer's "Washington's Doctors" argument. Even if it were a good idea to do this (it isn't), no one has any idea how to accomplish it.

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