Taking ial's account at face value, it sounds like H initiated force, ial escalated to violence, he responded and/or re-escalated. So the
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bruises were not the result of opinion, but may (or may not, more facts needed) be ial's fault for escalating.
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. Banned in Sweden. SubGenius, Zhuangist, white-hat troll. Defrocked mathematician. Brain problems.