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Anti-authoritarian, bleeding-heart Stirnerite, ☯️. Banned in Sweden. SubGenius, Zhuangist, white-hat troll. Defrocked mathematician. Brain problems.

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    1. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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      This is what happens when you refuse to use math to engage an issue like GBI: pure blather.http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/business/economy/universal-basic-income-poverty.html …

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      St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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      1) Obviously you aren't just handing a flat $5000 or $10000 to every citizen. You rework the tax curve so it's net neutral for most.

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        2. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          2) There is a bullet that needs biting here--three related ones, really--but this column fails entirely to recognize them.

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        3. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          2a) Are you going to let the worst off, many of whom aren't capable of navigating the welfare system, sleep under tarps in the woods?

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        4. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          2b) Is it useful and a good work incentive to subject marginal workers to far higher effective marginal tax rates than the rich?

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        5. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          2c) Is it constructive to maintain a class of professional hoop-holders so the worst-off can be made to jump through said hoops?

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        6. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          3a) Imagine an xy-graph of y = income versus x = work. If society doesn't want destitute people sleeping under tarps, y(0) > 0.

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        7. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          ...That is, give people who don't work *something*. Or don't, and let them starve or steal--consistent, but most people aren't so harsh.

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        8. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          3b) Critics argue that a UBI would kill incentives to work--but structure of current benefits claws them back based on income so steeply...

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        9. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          ...that the working poor can experience as much as a 90% marginal tax rate, or worse: increase income by $10k, lose $9k in benefits.

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        10. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          Hardly anyone seems to worry about the incentives baked into *that*.

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        11. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          But might there be a whole lot more incentive to work under a small UBI ($500/mo?) plus a 20% or 30% marginal tax rate--no aid clawbacks?

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        12. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          Ultimately, this is a question of math. The lower end of the income curve is subject to objective constraints, and they're absurd right now.

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        13. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          But you can fiddle with that curve without changing the middle or top of it much. $5000 to every citizen is a fiction.

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        14. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          There will be a cost, but far less than NYT glurge implies. And could releasing the poor from welfare traps help them be more productive?

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        15. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          Incentives matter to the poor as much as the rich, if not more so. Some can do more. Some can't. But most are trapped under what we have.

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        16. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          3c) The thought of putting bureaucrats out of work and setting fire to their forms warms my heart. But more soberly...

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        17. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          ...obviously you can't dissolve all the other systems of aid. The severely disabled need more than $500 a month!

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        18. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 31 May 2016
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          But you can remove an awful lot of dead weight--people printing out forms so others can fill them in--and a lot of humiliation and abuse.

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        19. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 1 Jun 2016
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          For many, humiliation feels like a necessary part of the system--the weak need to be punished so they'll be less weak! This rarely works.

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        20. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 1 Jun 2016
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          Humiliation & the whims of a paper machine break you down into hopeless passivity. Ease up on that, and improve incentives...it might work?

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        21. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 1 Jun 2016
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          Some poor people are hopeless. Some people are awful! So what? Does it make you feel better to piss on them? Does it help? Really?

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        22. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 1 Jun 2016
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          OK, I'm done.

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