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@St_Rev ...When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins... funny guy, that Kipling. -
@ArthurFrDent My stance is: given some publically expected level of redistribution, do you want massive bureaucracy or a check printer -
@ArthurFrDent GBI at a low level (~5k/yr) incorporated into tax framework and no means testing & army of administrators > current system
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@St_Rev Could they be factoring payments on student loan debt into their needs? Future GBIers wouldn't need/want that. -
@othercriteria I don't understand -
@St_Rev Maybe they're spending $100s a month servicing student loan debt? So that's why their estimate of what they want is so high? -
@othercriteria No. They're just middle-class socialists with middle-class socialist ideas of 'acceptable' is and blindness to the worst off.
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@okayultra well it was specifically the recent Swiss proposal which was about $2000-2500 in US dollars. -
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@St_Rev Annoyingly difficult 2 guess what’s feasible—too many parameters with no empiricals—but 2k does seem high for now. Need experiments! -
@Meaningness $4500/yr if you consolidate and dissolve all other welfare programs except SSI and Medicare, apparently. -
@St_Rev I’ve seen much higher estimates but haven’t looked in enough detail to evaluate. -
@Meaningness@St_Rev seems v. hard to know what the right set of ceteris paribus assumptions to model under wld be -
@schakalsynthetc@St_Rev Yeah; among other critical questions, how many people who currently don’t work start working and vice versa. -
@schakalsynthetc@St_Rev Experiments are being proposed seriously, so maybe in a decade there will be enough data to make useable estimates. -
@Meaningness@St_Rev tbh one of the reasons I'm for trying it is we need more data and pilot programs will give us data -
@schakalsynthetc@St_Rev Yup, absolutely! Important not only for GBI per se (medium run) but also post-scarcity transition (longer run). - 18 more replies
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