@St_Rev which was heinlein anyway? Sometimes he comes off as the first, sometimes the second.
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@drethelin Heinlein was ferociously the latter, not sure what you're thinking of. -
@St_Rev mostly starship troopers -
@drethelin The movie or the book -
@St_Rev the book, the movie is like, completely opposite in how it approaches the subject, though I like both. -
@drethelin ST is generally misread. Two points: the only thing 'citizenship' earned you was the right to vote... -
@drethelin ...and citizenship didn't require military service, just service. I'm v. against conscription but that system doesn't offend me. -
@St_Rev yeah it was all about, if you want control you need to put your Ass on the Line. I guess military authoritarianism in that context..
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@St_Rev I was going to quibble but I think you can strengthen it if you clarify a *non-instrumental* desire to control ppl. -
@simplic10 IDK what "non-instrumental" means. -
@St_Rev as an end rather than a means. -
@simplic10 Is that a Kant thing? It sounds like a Kant thing. -
@St_Rev here I just mean it as a psychological distinction. Eg killing an animal for food vs purely for fun. -
@simplic10 Don't think it's relevant. eg current push is fuelled by people who think (who tell each other) that theirs is morally necessary.
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