@St_Rev concur. it's complex but I think you've laid out starting premises I'll gladly endorse
@schakalsynthetc Advocating real harm as punishment for bad speech is uh not something I'm down with.
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@St_Rev I'm not down with retribution. -
@schakalsynthetc I'm totally down with retribution. For acts. Not for states of being. -
@St_Rev if deterrence is also a goal then eventually it gets hard to keep the two clearly seperated, tho -
@St_Rev otoh saying "deterrence isn't a valid goal" is a principled answer to that -
@schakalsynthetc This is the kind of difference that can be productively discussed--after the raging and terror are set aside.
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