@St_Rev @nydwracu @GabrielDuquette 1st order norms create civ'n. But they're costly & unfair to some, so once internalized, not as needed.
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@St_Rev@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette So most gain from your metanorm. But in absence of trad norm enforcement, internalized norms decay. -
@simplic10@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette Yeah. Progressivism tried to replace tradition with technocracy and failed horribly. Cabrini Green. -
@St_Rev@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette & metanorm of no norms lets 1st order norms decay unimpeded. We kicked away the ladder & banned ladders. -
@simplic10@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette But a society that can't find a place for Emmy Noether doesn't deserve to last. -
@St_Rev@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette & it should be able to; in New York she is Just A Number (in the good sense)... -
@St_Rev@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette ...& in Iowa her community should know her well enough to do casuistry instead of slavish norm worship. -
@simplic10@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette In America, yeah, because America kicks ass. But read her wiki bio. - 4 more replies
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@St_Rev Seems like liberals, by not understanding this deeply and saying it constantly, cede understanding that social norms are a thing... -
@St_Rev ...to the anti-liberal right and left. But could just be my bubble, or that liberals say it in a way I don't recognize. -
@nicktarleton cf. further down in the thread. Progressivism tried to replace tradition with technocracy, & produced Cabrini Green.
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@St_Rev@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette replace tribal norms with civic norms =profit! -
@drethelin@St_Rev@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette level of disgust, at best, very loosely correlates with degree of harm -
@drethelin@St_Rev@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette courts work better than mobs for punishing actual social harm (assuming sanity in lawmakers) -
@Johnwbh@St_Rev@nydwracu@GabrielDuquette hence xeer/ common law systems
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