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Anti-authoritarian, bleeding-heart Stirnerite, ☯️. Banned in Sweden. SubGenius, Zhuangist, white-hat troll. Defrocked mathematician. Brain problems.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 6
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      > meta-rationality is a non-rational process unlike others. Stanovich proposes a three-process model in which "reflection," commonly used in the cognitive literature to refer to meta-rationality, gets its own box. > http://www.keithstanovich.com/Site/Research_on_Reasoning_files/Stanovich_Two_MInds.pdf …pic.twitter.com/Wk3xGxsI1X

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 6
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      > The cognitive decoupling test motivates Stanovich's three-process model: the solution key is judging *when* to apply formal rationality, which is the job of his top box. It's perhaps the simplest meta-rational operation... >pic.twitter.com/2QXgLJl0ms

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 6
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      > Failing to decouple when you should makes you irrational; decoupling when you shouldn't makes you an "oblivious geek." It's a judgement call smart people often get wrong, as @everytstudies pointed out in his Harris-Klein analysis. > https://everythingstudies.com/2018/04/26/a-deep-dive-into-the-harris-klein-controversy/ …pic.twitter.com/q9tvJ5rfcR

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 6
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      > Learning *when* to apply systematic rationality is a first step in meta-rational skill. More advanced: which framework to apply, how to relate formality and reality, when and how to modify the framework, apply multiple frameworks... >pic.twitter.com/HZL56Ta7eK

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 6
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      > If you do technical work, you are inevitably already making frequent meta-rational judgements. Just recognizing this category as a thing may be enough to level up your rationality!pic.twitter.com/sLQA2xeLkv

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    6. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev Jun 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness

      I suspect it's possible to do mathematics at a very high level with no metarational competence, though.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jun 6
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      Yes; pure math is the only technical discipline in which real-world context *never* matters, so it’s where the most oblivious of oblivious geeks excel. #NotAllPureMathematicians, of course

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    8. Mo‏ @MuhammadPuter12 Jun 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @St_Rev

      It's subfield-specific even then. For e.g. combinatorics sure, for higher topos theory no. The distinction tracks Dyson's birds vs frogs, and relates to how much background theory you need to 'reach the frontier'.

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    9. Mo‏ @MuhammadPuter12 Jun 6
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      Replying to @MuhammadPuter12 @Meaningness @St_Rev

      Tangentially, I like this comment:pic.twitter.com/V9jaGXIWfD

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    10. Sytse Wielinga‏ @sbwielinga Jun 7
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      I was just going to mention category theory, but you beat me to it! Also, Gödel's incompleteness theorems seem impossible to understand without meta-rationality: after all, all they say is 'no correct system will answer silly questions', but systems can't judge silliness!

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      St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev Jun 7
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      Replying to @sbwielinga @MuhammadPuter12 @Meaningness

      Godel seems like someone who had serious problems with metasystematicity, though -- eg http://morgenstern.jeffreykegler.com/ 

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        2. Sytse Wielinga‏ @sbwielinga Jun 7
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          Replying to @St_Rev @MuhammadPuter12 @Meaningness

          Yes, absolutely; I've come to suspect that he had no understanding of what his theorems meant whatsoever (otherwise, he would have been less devastated by them) 😉

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        3. Sytse Wielinga‏ @sbwielinga Jun 7
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          Replying to @sbwielinga @St_Rev and

          Caveat: I should admit at this point that I have no authority or qualifications to say this whatsoever.. though I suspect that you personally might have veeery slightly less of a problem with that than average 😉

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        4. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev Jun 7
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          Well, he clearly understood them to a point. Anyway, I had in mind more the kind of mathematician whose career consists of 26 separate incredibly fiddly marginal extensions of the Brouwer fixed-point theorem or whatever. Just cranking through stacks of inequalities.

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